Think the kicking game been that bad, it’s clear not much improvement there……
I also prefer a coach who accepts a mistake and tries to rectify it. Rather than just plodding on with it.

"Buy cheap buy twice" springs to mind - it's okay bringing in experience to do a job while the youth develops, but every single first grade player at Leeds needs to be performing to a top-of-table standard. To be fair, Smith moved Olpherts on, and it wouldn't surprise me if Frawley went after this year. He is actually a decent player but his lack of pace and poor long kicking game are major issues. I think we are clearly in a position now where every single O/S quota player needs to be high quality, otherwise what's the point?

JOC to Hull I wouldn't be gutted about, he's a good player but I'm not sure he's exceptional. At the end of the day when we signed Ackers, if another club wanted JOC as first choice hooker and will increase his salary, there's not too much we can do about that. We do have a couple of decent hookers in the pipeline still. It might actually be better for all concerned for him to go.

We just have to get these next couple of signings right, bring in the right players in the right positions. The major surgery has already been done, we just need to plug a couple of holes more and we'll be at the races properly - and with some good talent coming through the ranks.

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rubbish. same stupid tactics for 18 months and still plodding on with them

I certainly don’t think smith is stupid, you don’t get to be head coach at a big club like Leeds unless you are intelligent. However his big and major failing is he signs average players and try’s to convert them into top class players. Unfortunately he fails in that department, which for me is a cardinal sin for a coach in any sport. Can’t fathom out signing of Frawley no decent track record whatsoever. Robert’s journey man average player, thought Ryan Hall seemed a bit off the pace last night . Thought the salary cap problem was sorted out last season. Not certain what the situation regarding Leeming and Walters was, only information available was on here. Certainly the club’s information didn’t ring true. Ironic to see we’re they both ended up. If Martin goes it will be a big blow, first class professional player, brilliant goal kicker which we will miss.

Roberts a journey man? hes just turned 22

Within the context of a squad, and the horrendous injury list we seem unable to shake, Roberts has been pretty good for the most part. He's a big lad and still has plenty of time to fill out: as I've said though he might be better used in the back row as he matures.

Martin would agree is a really consistent, professional player. It sounds like we would like to retain him, but if NRL really wants a player then SL just can't compete on salaries. How much a blow it might be if he leaves totally depends on who we might sign to replace him. I'd like to think we could get a better second row in terms of physique and aggression in D etc.

We won't need him as centre cover for much longer, we have Newman, Mom, Simpson, McCormack, Smith all pushing for places. As an overseas quota player, we might be able to sign more of a specialist as the squad matures and we have a little less need for players to cover for utility.

10/11 games in and already rumoured to be looking at offloading Frawley.

You've got to be seriously questioning Rohan / Gary's decision making if this is true.

Was blindingly obvious to all (other than the usual fanboys) he was not the player needed.

Dreadful waste of a quota spot too.

Martin has been Mr Consistent since he signed pretty much. I just think if he does go it's not the end of the world, depending on who else we might bring in. Ideally we'd keep him; I'd like to see him play in a side which had more power around him, because his pace and skill is decent for a forward.

For me if we could land a prop like Papali'i, we're a long way towards where we need to be for 2025, as long as Sinfield is ready to start games consistently at 7 by then.

See how he responds tomorrow, will be interesting. I could see a scenario where Jack comes past him and Frawley becomes the reserve at 6 or 7... but yeah not a wonderful quota spot use if that becomes the case. We have players like Fergus McCormack coming through but I think Frawley is a stronger reserve for the moment still.

I hope Frawley has a good game against Cats anyway.

In 2022 we used 31 players , of those only 13 are still at the club plus Holroyd who did not play in 2022.

The 13 includes Fusitua, Donaldson, Corey Johnson, Gannon and Max Simpson who will add very little this year and likely the first 3 will all leave.

We’ve also seen Hooley , Olpherts & Nene come and go from 2023.

We are back in the 80’s with a revolving squad. I don’t know how much is down to Smith and how much GH.

I worry how this season will pan out as our squad is thin, out of the first 26 players we have Bentley and Gannon struggling with concussion plus Holroyd may be joining as long term absentees. Fusitua will barely play, Donaldson adds little, and we are down on cap with Olpherts at wakey and Johnson at Bradford.

If anything emphasises how our ongoing weakness we have Hudson in the 22 shirt, who has never played a SL game and Wigan have Sam Walters, and about 8 props.

For next year I would not keep Fusitua, Roberts or Donaldson. Roberts is poor IMO and the other 2 are finished. I’d try hard to keep Martin.

Sadly , I’d also look at paying Gannon off as well.

I don’t watch enough NRL to comment on whether Papalli is worth it.

I also don’t know if we have lost cap due to Myler leaving.

We have to get it right next year but I’ve no faith . Expecting it to be done well is simply a triumph of hope over experience

To be fair the club is trying to back youth. We have a better potential set of young backs as a group than I can remember if they progress - Edgell, Lumb, Smith, Simpson, McCormack x 2, Sinfield. Not sure about the forwards so much, but its clear that the aim is to bring as many of these lads through as possible. In order to do so we need fillers - players who can do a job for a bit but who won't be on big money and can be shunted aside when these younger players are ready.

The difficult bit is that these lads are too young as a group to get picked every week, and while we have squad fillers, we also need a core of high quality senior players. That to me is where we are miles off. Our front row options are not great, and we have too many small backrowers. A lot of our problems stem from the inability of our pack to hold its own.

I didn't see the logic of re-signing Donaldson and Bentley, and Fusitu'a was an accident waiting to happen. Momirovski was a risk and we had little choice given Nene's antics so late in the day, so I can't blame anyone for that even if he doesn't work out. The real problem was Frawley. I hope he does better, but right now he looks more like the below average reserve grade NRL half back some of us thought he was when we signed him. I'd hoped he might go well with a dynamic half back in Croft, but it just doesn't seem to be working at all yet.

Excellent posting, in other words we are in a real mess. On top of that we have a coach who is out of his depth.

If we are gonna splash the marquee cash on Papalii (which would be a great move btw).
It shows that we have recognised our desperate need for a pack leader.

Begs the question why we didn't go for Burgess.
British and presume there would be some salary cap relief?
Anyway, that ship has sailed now.

Papalii would be a great signing for both Leeds and SL. Much better signing than burgess would have been as he can play 60mins and is a pack leader. Burgess these days is used for impact at souths. I assume burgess probs has a very high wage because he is an elite British nrl player as well if that makes sense.