Thanks Matts - let's hope it is coming through now. I do think there is a natural fall-off of players who look great as juniors but just don't kick on, and I don't think it's all down to coaching (although obviously coaching is massively important). Personally I think with all the facilities and expertise at Leeds, players themselves have plenty of opportunity to develop their game, and that's the kind of attitude you want for a first grade player.

It is a tough old business making Leeds first grade. People sometimes don't appreciate how good some of these lads are, to make it at Leeds it's probably a 1/1000 player. Even with the goldens I'm not sure we had more than 3/4 players graduate from one academy peer group at a time.

We seem to have a handful of decent prospects now - I know you feel the coaching after scholarship isn't up to it. Is Lewis Peacock still at Leeds mate?

We’ve been talking about great Junior talent for years. Some good players come through, others waiting. No great players for long while though and that’s held us back. Great players are not the product of coaches. Probably quite the opposite!

Looks like Warrington have got the jump on us with the Bradford Academy prop probably the Sam Burgess effect.

The short lived one anyway.

Any serious Souths interest and he'll be flying home within the month.

Yes he looks a really good prospect and thought we were nailed on to sign him.
Let`s hope he`s not another Walmsley.

Perhaps but I think he'll cut his teeth over here,but more in reference to the Player signing for Wire Sam has the credentials to develop him more than Smith per say.

If you were a young Prop, and were told by a club coached by one of the most iconic props of the last 20 years that they wanted you to join them and develop under his coaching, what would you do?

Especially if he says it is their year

Yes people have the right to say that but for mine I think there are people who call themselves Rl fans but are ready /happy to put the boot into a young English coach who gave his all for his country and is a proud Yorkshire man and his family have produced the best crop of players we've seen in years personally I hope he is as good a coach as he was player.

What actually happened with Walmsley?

I think Okoro has some work to do on his game, but this is now Walters gone, missed Eseh to Wigan, missed Okoro to Wire… and we still look light.

To be fair what we really need is a proven performer / more complete player rather than a project.

Looking more likely we’ll have to sign from Aus.

We still had Ian Kirke at that time so didn’t need him.

We already have our project, it's Kieran Hudson. We didn't really need to sing Eseh or Okoro, we need someone who can come into the main 4 rotation as the leader, not someone who can be prop 6 or 7 and play half a dozen games a year max. If that means we wait until next year so be it.

Someone like Burgess or JWH ? But we've been through that the more learned rugby people on here say the former is too old and later too rough and physical.

Yep agreed overall, although I do think either Eseh or Okoro could have been useful this year. Lisone might not be around for forever or Sangare, and maybe only one of Eseh, Okoro or Hudson might really make it….

I do think there could be a player in Hudson but he is a project for sure.

We have one or two academy prospects at prop but they all need a fair bit of physical development before first grade.