Yet again I have to gently point out we are a mid table side, last night we played like a bottom two side. At ten nil, we steadied the ship but unfortunately we haven’t the physical or mental capacity to get back into the game. I personally don’t like singling out players But last night’s performance from the monster (hollow laugh) and frawley was woeful. Croft to his credit tried his best without Much support. Newman, if a wrong option is available he will take it. Anyone on here think that a couple of signings will fix the situation is sadly deluded. Much but not all of the blame can be attributed to Rohan Smith but the senior management of the club must accept some responsibility for this high risk adventure. A glimmer of hope in the future is the current crop of youngsters coming through the system. I am assured we have some talent coming through the ranks. Hopefully we won’t screw up and fail to develope these lads. Not relevant but I note Kevin Sinfield has been offered a three year deal with the rugby union at 300 grand a year.

Funny you should mention we lack mental capacity, because one of JJB’s excuses last night was we are not quite there with our “mental conditioning”. Maybe Jamie needs to enter the conditioning side of things and get them doing a few “psychological” press ups As for our Aussies, it’s a shame they can’t all be like that when it comes to Test Matches. Well done to the fans that travelled over, they’re gonna need some phsycological help after that. See Jamie for details.

I agree but you will not find many on here who do. Oldeski is a protected species on here and there will numerous excuses for his abject performance. Needs to be traded

Yeah i’m not sure getting rid of our only prop that is decent, a homegrown player, is the way to fix our lack of pack to be honest. But each to their own.

Anyway to top it off it took me an absolute age getting home last night I seemed to be stuck near Bolton for hours.

I think Mik would look better in a pack that has more talent. I think at times he’s trying too hard. I will agree he’s had an inconsistent season by his standards. I wouldn’t get rid though. He was one of the first players highlighted by Arthur when he got over and Arthur has a good track record with props.

As I recall (according to SKY) Wigan spent about 600k more than us.
Actually, it's 400k. They also estimated Wire and Catalans spend 300k more. We were tied in 4th, with Huddersfield and Saints.

If that is right, it’s time that caddick looked for some new blood and investors who want to win

400k is 2 very good players. If we then trimmed out the dross we could easily bring in 3 more very good players, and fill the rest of the squad places with kids or regular pros like Donno.

Momorovski is up there with one of the worse overseas signings we have made.
I agree Edgell and Lumb looked good but physically nowhere near playing regularly at this level yet.
Our forwards were a disgrace and for the Bentley bashers who put his hand up to play as an interchange prop and most probably topped the tackle count yet again.
O`Connor who I like had a terrible game and our props were outmuscled every time.
Thompson is the sort of prop we should be signing not Sangare and Goudemand.
Not that it will happen but I hope we don`t beat KR next week and make the playoffs.

If the player is good enough then regardless of being homegrown something needs to be done. The reason the pack is so poor is that its members are not of the appropriate standard

He’s been carrying the pack for a couple of years, Oledski isn’t the problem.

You don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

Carrying the pack give it a rest we went better without him not Leeds standard.

Which of our current prop forwards do you think is a better player, or indeed better value for money than Oledzki?

After every loss, we might as well rename every thread on southstander 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'. Strange how this didn't happen after we beat Wigan a few weeks ago.

All those years of success have made Leeds fans some of the most fickle fans in SL. Pre-2004, we didn't expect success, but good players weren't routinely bagged in the manner we've become accustomed to now after a defeat.