Agree, Lilley looked much happier at 7 rather than at dummy half.
Silverwood just got so much plain wrong - for both teams.

End of day 2 points which we desperately needed.The performance was not great but the conditions were awful and Silverwood was as dire as both sides which contributed to the stink fest.not a game i will be looking to watch on repeat.

I picked out Lilley as he or, more correctly, his position, be that 7 or 9, is IMO the reason you are struggling. With Falloon & McGuire in you will be fine, but Lilley will never be good enough for either. I hope I'm wrong, we desperately need a WC HB for England. If you consider a few conversions & a grubber near the line more of a contribution than Sutcliffe's 80 minutes that's fine by me. The others were crap but they aren't key to the game (possible exception of Hardaker) over its entirety.

True, but I was trying to make new more balanced points knowing that as usual you had already jumped in with your critique.

Jesus Christ why is everyone picking on lilley, he is 19 for gods sake played less than a dozen super league games, and just picked up sky mom award, we only got back into the game when he went to 7 we looked awful with burrow there. Both burrow and maguire were not super stars at the same age like some are suggesting, they both had blinding pace but we're both 21 before they we first choice. At 19 Ben walker and Ryan Sheridan followed by Sinfield duneman combo were are first choice right up to 2004. Some people need to get a serious grip.

I do consider Lilley's overall contribution to be greater than Sutcliffe's over the 80 minutes. Apart from his try, which he took well, Sutcliffe did nothing of note. The reason we are struggling is that we have a serious injury list including some key players which in addition to losing our two most influential players at the end of last season is something of a handicap. At the end of the day we won the game on Lilley's kicking skills and coolness under pressure..

Sutcliffe has just returned from a long term injury and as a 'work in progress' bench player has to play in the pivotal position with a youngster with only a few hours of SL experience in a team that has out of form senior players well below their best.

Lilley has confidence and a good attitude and possesses some very good rugby skills. He lacks experience and time in a settled winning side to progress further. My only worry is a lack of pace something he shares with Sutcliffe. I was one of just a few that expressed concerns pre-season regarding our deficiencies at half back. But we are where we are with recruitment and if we are going with the youngsters then they must be allowed to make mistakes and the time to develop into their roles or be replaced for next season.

I agree, two injury ravaged teams struggling to find last season's form.
Both teams will improve when the regulars return and make the top 8. However neither team will make the top 4 this season so Wembley is the only hope of silverware for both Giants and Rhinos.
Let's hope for a West Yorkshire final between both teams.

On current form we will not make the top 4 but I would expect our form to improve and when the injured return we could easily catch up the leaders who are only 6 points ahead and who could well have their own injury problems and dip in form still to come.

Indeed with Garbutt back next week and if JJB and Falloon were also to play we could still beat Wigan next week.

Delaney with 42 tackles struggled once again to maintain his position as our top tackler

What was the attendance last night?

Soaked, cold & thoroughly dispirited by our display I'd guess.

14,962 - all as OF said