Cowardly? Why the personal attacks? Stick to the rugby discussions. You have a go at Double A One for using emoticons but come out with stuff like this when people pull you on your opinions.

For someone who can't recognise his elbow from his Phil Daly you've done a good job of telling Bloodbath and I how we should think in this thread. I categorically wouldn't complain about Kirke making 11 carries because, as I said, it would be a huge improvement from his norm.

..and then change your mind, after you've read the stats.

I know, then got prissy when Bloodbath gave you an example of how Kirke normally plays, saying you were only talking about last night.

Classic Gotcha insania

Which highlights how pointless your whole argument is, and renders your little girly bitchfest pointless. I hear handbags are on sale in Cas market today.

11 carries isn't a problem, if it was I wouldn't have said Kirke. But 8 carries is nearly 30% less, and what even when Kirke does, one particular gobe on here keeps bagging him for.

Maybe you should pay more attention to what actually happened, and then what is actually said, before putting your foot in mouth.

I wouldn't moan about 8 carries from Kirke. It would be an increase in his usual offensive (in many ways) work rate.

Hope you picked up a nice handbag.

Hope bailey goes if only to end the love in on here. Offers little different to kirke yet kirke is vilified. it's embarassing.

Don't think he's put a shift in for the best part of a decade.

What constitutes a shift then exactly? He's made 30+ tackles in 5 of his 8 appearances this year, hardly sloppy. Vs Widnes he made 37 tackles, 3 tackle bursts and over 100m.

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Also on another topic it was mentioned on another thread about Ablett being the new JJB in terms of giving away penalties, he's given away just 3 in his last 10 league matches.

Put my thoughts on page 8 about Bailey. He is a squad player which is needed in a SC sport. It's the massive hero worshiping of him that grates on me. Also as again I said on previous page he could have been so much more than a squad player. Yes he has been at a successful club won the rings and picked by all these different managers but as I say he is useful to have around in a squad. But 2004 he looked to me that he could have pushed on and been a special player. He does have a good engine on him and for me could have been such a better player. We only see glimpses in the odd game.

On ablett I agree can't see that his game has changed at all. He always had a little
Niggle in his game but haven't seen him giving away masses of penalties a la JJB

It would be very interesting how many SL clubs would be interested in signing Ryan should he not be offered a new contract at the Rhinos

Wakefield would seem the most logical choice to me as i couldn't envisage much interest from elsewhere

It's interesting how so many of the people when criticising Bailey make mention of this "hero worship" and how it bugs them.....perhaps it is them whose view is impaired by personal feeling. Just a thought.

Nope bugs me both ways he is masivley over rated on here and under rated by opposition fans. I assumed it was a joke all the TMFMISL stuff but Apparantly some actually believe it. Don't mind him, as I say decent squad player nothing more, but he could have been

I don't really think he is overrated though on here. I would say there are way more who slate him than praise him. Infact if you discount BloodBath who I think has been honest enough to say when Bailey hasn't been too good then I don't think it leaves much else in terms of overrating on here. It's become much more a bandwagon thing to jump on this "he's overrated" than it actually has the "TMFMISL".

Disagree but that's your opinion. Gonna stop commenting on this now as I am adding to yet another bailey thread!

Maybe Huby to you and Bailey to Cas in the deal?

Remember last season he was mulling over staying at Leeds .It was said he had offers from the NRL which he used as a bargaining tool for his new two year deal

Bailey staying put for now it seems. www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... -loan-exit

Bailey staying put for now it seems. www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... -loan-exit

Offers from the NRL?

Are water carriers in that short supply in Australia?