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| Quote: The Eagle "They'll finish their 2012 fixtures according to this:
This is possibly the daftest thing I've read during this sorry saga. The idea that the club could be liquidated and a Supporters Trust immediately emerge and seemlessly take over the running of a professional sports club, in mid season, is completely laughable
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| Quote: chapylad "Why would they join Bradford?
Surely that is a restriction of trade?
What if Halifax could not afford to pay their existing wages?
What if they wanted to join another SL team?'"
It's personal/agent choice of course. I was just offering it as an example of what could happen.
Some Super League sides are well stocked in the area of certain positions.
Halifax is close to Bradford, so not much of a Relocation and they will be looking for Super League Quality Players to join their ranks to compete in the Comp.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Effectively?
So if the RFL wanted to, they could sell the land to Mowlem who could then build a housing estate on it without the freeholder having any say in the matter?'"
You need to break down your second paragraph to understand my point.
The RFL could sell the land to Mowlem? They could sell a leasehold interest in the land.
Who could build a housing estate on it? Potentially, yes
Without the freeholder having any say in the matter? No.
Does any of the above mean the RFL don't own Odsal? No, they do. They own the leasehold. The can sell the leasehold.
Ownership doesn't always entitle someone to do as they wish. I am perfectly entitled to own a knife. I am restricted as to when and where I can carry it and am restricted as to what or who I can stick it in. I still own it.
Look no further than Headingley. Leeds CF&A Ltd own it, freehold and all but i suspect there are restrictive covenants in place as to what the land can be used for. restrictions on usage do not mean you do not own it.
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| Quote: G1 "You need to break down your second paragraph to understand my point.
The RFL could sell the land to Mowlem? They could sell a leasehold interest in the land.
Who could build a housing estate on it? Potentially, yes
Without the freeholder having any say in the matter? No.
Does any of the above mean the RFL don't own Odsal? No, they do. They own the leasehold. The can sell the leasehold.
Ownership doesn't always entitle someone to do as they wish. I am perfectly entitled to own a knife. I am restricted as to when and where I can carry it and am restricted as to what or who I can stick it in. I still own it.
Look no further than Headingley. Leeds CF&A Ltd own it, freehold and all but i suspect there are restrictive covenants in place as to what the land can be used for. restrictions on usage do not mean you do not own it.'"
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| Quote: G1 "
Ownership doesn't always entitle someone to do as they wish. I am perfectly entitled to own a knife. I am restricted as to when and where I can carry it and am restricted as to what or who I can stick it in. I still own it.
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You did say "knife" didn't you?
Just checking.
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| Quote: El Diablo "You did say "knife" didn't you?
Just checking.'"
I believe he mentioned a "Pork Sword"
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| Call it semantics if you like, but what they own is a right to occupy the site for a fixed period of time. The value of that particular right is going to be driven by what the freeholder allows the leaseholder to do with the land. If the terms of the lease restrict it to sporting or recreational use for example then that would likely reduce its value if the RFL wanted to sell it on.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Call it semantics if you like, but what they own is a right to occupy the site for a fixed period of time. The value of that particular right is going to be driven by what the freeholder allows the leaseholder to do with the land. If the terms of the lease restrict it to sporting or recreational use for example then that would likely reduce its value if the RFL wanted to sell it on.'"
This statememnt I agree with.
However, the issue I had was claims that the RFL didn't own Odsal because, sa you now say, they do.
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| Depends how you define "Odsal".
The fixtures and fittings such as the stands will, for the time being anyway, likely belong to Bradford Bulls Holdings Limited, so they can't sell those.
The land itself is owned by the Council, so they can't sell that either.
So which bits of "Odsal are they selling?
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| Gary Hetherington urges clubs not to asset strip Bradford Bulls following Administration.
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| Translation - there's nothing we want so nobody else should either. Classic Darth.
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| It feels like this all stems from the harris signing. (i know it's almost a cliche now to say this, and no doubt someone will come along and say ''there were other underlying issues'')
It just seemed to start a chain reaction of things going wrong, and everytime something went wrong it resulted in less income and more debt.
It's like it put a curse on the club.
Top players left
league position was affected
average attendances dropped
all this resulted in significantly less income while the harris situation alone created large costs in legal fees and compensation.
Add in the fact the upkeep of odsal was costing alot and poor management who couldn't make the correct decisions to reduce the deficit.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "The problem the Bulls have compared to say Rangers, is that they aren't even attractive to someone wanting to strip the assets and get their money back. I'm struggling to see a way out of this that doesn't involve liquidation and potentially starting again in Championship One.
The RFL stand to take a financial hit on this, as there is no way a reformed club outside SL could afford to pay market rent for Odsal.'"
I don't think it would be easy for them to start again in championship one either.
If bradford don't find a buyer before liquidation this will not end well for them, not at all.
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| Quote: El Diablo "That isn't entirely fair though is it? At this stage in the season several teams would get byes. It is likely that some of them would have lost that match, given that the Bulls haven't been total whipping boys this year.
Hopefully it won't come to that anyway.'"
The rfl are in a situation where, if it comes to that, due to the MM weekend fixture it's impossible for them to be fair to everyone.
If they allow pre liquidation results to stand, and post liquidation results to be a bye, we've gained 2 points on other teams because we play them 3 times.
If they expunge all results against bulls, we've been screwed over necause we play them 3 times.
But, that's what happens when you f*ck about having some teams play each other more than others.
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| Quote: Wilbred T Pricklepop "The rfl are in a situation where, if it comes to that, due to the MM weekend fixture it's impossible for them to be fair to everyone.
If they allow pre liquidation results to stand, and post liquidation results to be a bye, we've gained 2 points on other teams because we play them 3 times.
If they expunge all results against bulls, we've been screwed over necause we play them 3 times.
But, that's what happens when you f*ck about having some teams play each other more than others.'"
If the RFL had announced before MW (when the Bulls problems were well known) that Leeds' result in that game would stand it would have been the best of a bad job. Trying to sort it out afterwards, when the winners and losers have set agendas, makes it a nightmare.
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