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| Quite a few on the Warrington board would prefer to see Ratchford at FB with Russell left fighting for a wing spot, so he can't be all that good.
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| Sal- With respect not one of the FB's you have listed is currently better than ZH imo i'll also add he will continue to get better year on year IF he isn't moved into the halves even then i think he'll adapt accordingly and more than prove his worth.
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| Quote rhinoms="rhinoms"Sal- With respect not one of the FB's you have listed is currently better than ZH imo i'll also add he will continue to get better year on year IF he isn't moved into the halves even then i think he'll adapt accordingly and more than prove his worth.'"
Its all about opinions - nobody actually knows - as you see on here some agree some don't only time will tell
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| Whether or not Zak could play stand off, moving him there would be a waste of his three best abilities - one-on-one defence, bomb disposal and kick return.
And, yes, he is comfortably the best fullback in the league.
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| Quote craigizzard="craigizzard"Whether or not Zak could play stand off, moving him there would be a waste of his three best abilities - one-on-one defence, bomb disposal and kick return.
And, yes, he is comfortably the best fullback in the league.'"
It's only about "opinions" if you disagree on the the definition of "best Full Back".
For me the uppermost qualities should very much include [ione-on-one defence, bomb disposal and kick return[/i as best qualifying claim for "best full back". I therefore concur with you that Zak is comfortably the "best".
Would much rather see Zak in the spot than anybody else in SL.
I have in the past advocated the possibility of Zak moving to SO long before today (and suffered ridicule accordingly of course). However, this was before I witnessed just how good the lad is at FB in accordance with what I consider to be the best qualifying elements in said position
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| Quote nantwichexile="nantwichexile"It's only about "opinions" if you disagree on the the definition of "best Full Back".
For me the uppermost qualities should very much include [ione-on-one defence, bomb disposal and kick return[/i as best qualifying claim for "best full back". I therefore concur with you that Zak is comfortably the "best".
Would much rather see Zak in the spot than anybody else in SL.
I have in the past advocated the possibility of Zak moving to SO long before today (and suffered ridicule accordingly of course). However, this was before I witnessed just how good the lad is at FB in accordance with what I consider to be the best qualifying elements in said position'"
Agree for me the main points are 1 on 1 defence and kick returns. I would say organising and a talker are fair skills for a full back also as he gets a good view of what's happening. I would say he is the best full back in SL at the moment. And regarding his passing while not the best I have seen an improvement in this area from him
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"When we have the best fullback in the competition let me know it hasn't happened yet there 3/4 as good if not better than him. He still isn't a patch on Webb going forward especially running into and passing in the line. Webb had a great instinct for delivering the right pass and the skill set to deliver, Hardaker has neither of these skills if he is the future and I have no reason to suggest you are incorrect then we are in for a very lean spell in attack.'"
I agree with you Sal both on this and also that he is overrated by many. His game is based on physicality and work rate but he is currently lacking the skills I like to see in key positions. IMO his current best position is on the wing but until the likes of Golding gain more experience he will remain at FB. I can see him as a future back row man which may suit him best of all.
Most of the other FBs in SL have better try scoring, try assist and clean break averages which is one of the reasons Leeds were below par on attack last season. Sure Hardaker returns the ball strongly but not cleverly enough IMO. It is what you do with the ball that counts.
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| Quote craigizzard="craigizzard"
And, yes, he is comfortably the best fullback in the league.'"
On his first half of the season performance I would agree, but on his second half of the season performance I do not agree.
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| Quote Juan Cornetto="Juan Cornetto" His game is based on physicality and work rate but he is currently lacking the skills I like to see in key positions. '"
his games not based on physicality any more than any other full back
his fantastic try savings tackles are all about technique, not physicality.
his ability to field kicks, and take high bombs, is down to his positioning and technique.
how is his game based on physicality?
Quote Juan Cornetto="Juan Cornetto" Most of the other FBs in SL have better try scoring, try assist and clean break averages which is one of the reasons Leeds were below par on attack last season.'"
are Escare and Shaul better full backs because they scored more tries?
and what about 'tackle busts' averges and 'metres per game' averages?
i dont need 'try' and 'try assists' stats to see that Hardaker was better than most, if not all, full backs in the league last season.
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| Quote Neruda="Neruda"his games not based on physicality any more than any other full back
his fantastic try savings tackles are all about technique, not physicality.
his ability to field kicks, and take high bombs, is down to his positioning and technique.
how is his game based on physicality?
are Escare and Shaul better full backs because they scored more tries?
and what about 'tackle busts' averges and 'metres per game' averages?
i dont need 'try' and 'try assists' stats to see that Hardaker was better than most, if not all, full backs in the league last season.'"
i agree 100% with this post and i wouldn't swop any current sl full back for zak and under any circumstances
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| The fact it is Juan Cornetto agreeing with Sal tells you all you need to know about how wrong he was 
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"The fact it is Juan Cornetto agreeing with Sal tells you all you need to know about how wrong he was
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For someone who has been proved wrong on so many occasions I don't think you are really speaking from a position of strength are you!!
Sometimes best to let people think you a fool than post something and confirm everyone's thoughts
On here we all have opinions and that is all they are - your opinions are no more fact than anyone else's, neither are mine that is the reality.
Perhaps you should spend less time stalking the likes of Andy Lynch at Kippax in the new year?
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