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| Quote Puig-Aubert="Puig-Aubert"What are the stats for quick PTBs? How many tackles were dominant or solo? Whats the offloads comparison like? Maybe most important for trying to compare props - what's the comparative gametime?'"
Fair enough, stats only give away so much, it doesn't give the whole picture. Fozzard, whilst no world beater is a good option and considering we've had no Cayless all year, it is an improvement on what we have.
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| Quote Puig-Aubert="Puig-Aubert"Or to put it another way you've ignored less palateable stats and focussed on the stats that might best bolster your defence of what seems a shocking signing, even despite their being without any context of game time.
To quote the big bald fella: deary me today.'"
Fair enough, you think it's a shocking signing, I don't.
A big problem for us is the VOLUME of work Jammer is being asked to do, so I'm just saying we've signed a player who in my opinion is capable of sharing that workload well.
Tell me where they store stats on quick PTB and game time and I'll look at them, otherwise I can only go on what I see with my own eyes, which the available stats support.
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| Quote Blobbynator="Blobbynator"Fair enough, stats only give away so much, it doesn't give the whole picture. Fozzard, whilst no world beater is a good option and considering we've had no Cayless all year, it is an improvement on what we have.'"
It may prove to be worthwhile like the Paul Anderson deal did but it looks a shocker to me at this stage. In the Nathan Mcavoy to Leeds class.
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| Quote Blobbynator="Blobbynator"Fozzard:
Appearances - 21
Metres - 1974
Carries - 295
Tackles - 515
Leuluai:
Appearances - 27
Metres - 1952
Carries - 277
Tackles - 514
Kirke:
Appearances - 16
Metres - 855

Carries - 123
Tackles - 342
Burgess:
Appearances - 26
Metres - 2015
Carries - 284
Tackles - 438
Bailey:
Appearances - 17
Metres - 1095

Carries - 183
Tackles - 344
He does quite well in comparison really. '"
No he doesn't.
Kirke, Leuleui and Burgess make more meters per carry (we have a squad so we can rotate our props ).
Despite playing 5 games less (the apparantly amusing to you) Kirke has more tackle busts and clean breaks, Burgess has over double the tackle busts and has 25 offloads compared to Fozzards 2!
Bailey, who has played 4 games less, has double the tackle busts, clean breaks and offloads.
I wouldn't swap Fozzard for any of them, why do you think it's a good idea?
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| Quote DHM="DHM"we have a squad so we can rotate our props '"
And there it is!
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"And there it is!'"
Like I said, Thakrey is available 
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| Quote LeedsPokerGuru="LeedsPokerGuru"To me it points to some financial problems or a change in priorites at Saints. '"
Yes to both (see my post on page 5, I think, for more info, if you need some assistance sleeping this evening)
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| Quote DHM="DHM"No he doesn't.
Kirke, Leuleui and Burgess make more meters per carry (we have a squad so we can rotate our props ).
Despite playing 5 games less (the apparantly amusing to you) Kirke has more tackle busts and clean breaks, Burgess has over double the tackle busts and has 25 offloads compared to Fozzards 2!
Bailey, who has played 4 games less, has double the tackle busts, clean breaks and offloads.
I wouldn't swap Fozzard for any of them, why do you think it's a good idea?'" I also think Ali, ablett, jjb, senior and hall really help spread the work load!! Saints fans see stats as the be all and end all!! That's why you have Sants fans saying clough is better than Ali? Clough is nowhere near the class of Ali!! Not even close !!
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| Quote tad rhino="tad rhino"fozzard isn't in there class mate, nowhere near it. he did nothing on friday and i honestly think it's a poor signing.'"
I agree Tad a step backwards but who cares 
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"I've already mentioned stats in comparison to KL, I don't need to look at Bailey's stats to know Fozzard works harder. I've just looked at Burgess and Fozzard works harder than him also.
Look yourself if you want, I CBA listing them all to prove what is an obvious point to anyone with eyes.'"
You've not quoted any stats! You just stated he appears to make more carries, more yards, tackles etc. That's not stats. Stats means numbers pal. I hope he would make more yards in more carries... And if he has spent more time on the pitch than KL then I hope he would have made more tackles! I am asking you to give us the info you based your comments on so we can have the chance to agree with you.
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| Quote Blobbynator="Blobbynator"Fozzard:
Metres - 1974
Carries - 295
Meters Per Carry - 6.69
Leuluai:
Metres - 1952
Carries - 277
Meters Per Carry - 7.05
Kirke:
Metres - 855

Carries - 123
Meters Per Carry - 6.95
Burgess:
Metres - 2015
Carries - 284
Meters Per Carry - 7.10
Bailey:
Metres - 1095
Carries - 183
Meters Per Carry - 5.98
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To put the above into something decent.
Fozzard's Meters per carry isn't as good as: Kirke, Leuluai or Burgess. Although Bailey isn't that far behind. N'uff said?

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| Metres per carry is a totally meaningless statistic. You are suggesting that a player who hides on the wing and makes one carry for 15 metres is better than Graham who makes 30 carries for 210 metres.
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