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| Cuthbertson would be a first choice prop in any SL side, personally thought he should have won MOS instead of Hardaker.
Apart from maybe Clarke, Parcell has got to be the best hooker in the competition this season, wouldn't mind Ablett as well tbh.
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| Quote: tad rhino "let's face it. we've heard it all before from Huddersfield and Warrington'"
And Cas lately. TBH it's nice to have a little bit of spice back in these west Yorkshire games with all teams competing at the right end, long may it continue.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Yeah except that one of those teams has a player who has won 5 super league titles, 2 WCC, 2 Challenge cups, 2 league leaders shields a Baskerville shield over 200 hundred super league tries, an international rookie of the year award, a lance Todd trophy and 32 international tries in 32 international appearances and the other has Mason Caton-Brown.
The reason Leeds and Wakefield are level on points is that Leeds squad is hugely imbalanced.'"
Yep, and Caton-Brown has scored more tries in less games, and has made nearly a metre more in every carry. Sad state when the stats for a back up winger in the lowest value squad are better than those for a "world class" player
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| Even sadder state when you get so overexcited by half a season of relevance (not even success just relevance) that you are seriously trying to put together an argument thsy Mason Caton-Brown is better than Ryan Hall.
Jesus even the Huddersfield fans waited until they got to finals before claiming to be the new kings, your 4th. After half a season
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| Caton browns metres per carry could be inflated by the long range tries and interceptions that wakey have been very good at this year. Both he and Bjb have had great service this year and took their chances. I rate both and wanted Leeds to be in for Caton Brown the other year when he went to Salford.
Hall on the other hand has lived off scraps (and to a certain extent has done since Senior retired). The vast majority of Halls yards come in bad ball and personally I wouldn't swap him for any winger in the league, Maybe Manfredi but Hall hardly misses a game.
In terms of Wakey players who have caught my eye, obviously Johnstone, Miller brings much the same as Moon does in the halves as n off the cuff runner. Personally think your most underrated player is Tinaru Aroana (sp?)
As others have said it's nice to see you doing well, you seem to have found players that have bought into wakey and aren't all simply cast offs. They have careers in front of them, which ties into the fact you seem to be trying to compete rather than survive.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Even sadder state when you get so overexcited by half a season of relevance (not even success just relevance) that you are seriously trying to put together an argument thsy Mason Caton-Brown is better than Ryan Hall.
Jesus even the Huddersfield fans waited until they got to finals before claiming to be the new kings, your 4th. After half a season
Not saying that Wakey will be kings or even relevant, but your claim that Hall is currently a better winger than Caton-Brown can easily be rubbished by the stats, Caton-Brown is one of the form wingers of the league and put a hat-trick past a team who sits above both Leeds and Wakefield. The idea of Hall living of scraps is a poor excuse too, both BJB and MCB have been making their own tries as well as getting fed the ball
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| Quote: Trojan Horse "You know what. I hope we smash Leeds just for these smug comments from a few of you fans. Cas used to be the team I'd like to see take a pounding but lately it's Leeds. While I'm sure the majority are normal fans there always seems to be smug entitled posts from a few suggesting a lowly team like Wakefield shouldn't be allowed to set foot near the quality of Leeds or improve and actually look like they may challenge this year.
I hope we put 50 past you.'"
Hey ! calm down
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "icon_lol.gif
Good to see that this is the best response you've got against the stats
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| Quote: Egg Banjo "Good to see that this is the best response you've got against the stats'"
Stats are rarely funny. People on the other hand...
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| There's so much more to wing play than scoring tries. Canton Brown is going well in a team that offers him plenty of opportunities. There's at least 4/5 wingers better than him in the comp, your own Johnstone among them.
If you put Hall in the Cas or Wigan team he'd be back tO topping try scoring lists like he used to do when Webb and Senior fed him tries on a plate. Hell if you put Hall in Caton-Browns position he'd score the same or more tries, it's just not the way Leeds play these days.
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| Don't think hall would've scored a fair few of the bishop or mcb try's tbh. A lot have been scored through sheer speed from deep.
Almost gone are the days of the big wingmen these days with most of the SL teams preferring players who can finish acrobatically in the corner or have a good speed motor on them.
That said hall is still a good winger just seems speed and technical ability seem all the rage in wingers atm.
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| Quote: Trojan Horse "Don't think hall would've scored a fair few of the bishop or mcb try's tbh. A lot have been scored through sheer speed from deep.
Almost gone are the days of the big wingmen these days with most of the SL teams preferring players who can finish acrobatically in the corner or have a good speed motor on them.
That said hall is still a good winger just seems speed and technical ability seem all the rage in wingers atm.'"
Obviously no one can say for sure, Hall is an excellent finisher, just doesn't get much opportunity to showcase it. Yes he's not the most acrobatic but he's often found other ways to finish, namely bullying his way in at the corner.
It might be swings and roundabouts, Hall would finish some bib wouldn't and vice versa.
It has just been very frustrating to see people disregard Hall, both in terms of SL and internationally, often on little more than 'player x has scored more tries than him'.
In reality so many players finding a better level is good both in terms of our completion and internationals. God we all remember the days of Calderwood and Raynor turning out for internationals don't we?
There's no need for anyone to turn it into an appendage measuring contest.
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| Quote: Barrie's Glass Eye "Obviously no one can say for sure, Hall is an excellent finisher, just doesn't get much opportunity to showcase it. Yes he's not the most acrobatic but he's often found other ways to finish, namely bullying his way in at the corner.
It might be swings and roundabouts, Hall would finish some bib wouldn't and vice versa.
It has just been very frustrating to see people disregard Hall, both in terms of SL and internationally, often on little more than 'player x has scored more tries than him'.
In reality so many players finding a better level is good both in terms of our completion and internationals. God we all remember the days of Calderwood and Raynor turning out for internationals don't we?
There's no need for anyone to turn it into an appendage measuring contest.'"
I'm not disregarding him, he was an excellent winger a few years ago both domestically and internationally. He's still a good winger but unsurprisingly, age has started to take its toll. He isn't the winger he once was and has lost some pace.
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| Be nice if some defensive tightness was shown. Recent SL standards have been shocking so while I wouldn't hope to score 50 I'd be pleased if we restricted them to 3 tries or fewer.
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