True but it won't stop till buderus leaves.

Even then it will probably a buderus vs diskin debate over who had the most influence on mcshane

I don't have a problem with Buderus at all - he is a damn good hooker. I DO have a problem with people downplaying Diskin's 10-year role at the club as though he was some kind of Kirke-standard hooker.

I also have a problem with people who say they like to watch star players doing flashy stuff and less about winning. Had that for my first 20 years watching Leeds - no thanks.

It is not about flashy stuff - it about quality on the field for me - fans will only go and watch a dour winning side for so long - even the CEO realised that - fans want to be entertained.

I have seen you repeat this twice now. Where are these posts you talk of? Is anyone downplaying Diskins 10 year role? where?

I think people looking at things a little more with an open mind, rather than blinkered specs, can see that Diskin had reached his end life, and really shouldn't have even had the opportunties he had last season. Why can some not differentiate between that and what he did prior?

I don't see anybody putting down Diskins efforts/performances previous to last season, which at times were superb. Just the fact that it was clear he was finished as a top class hooker. And more to the point realizing that we had a player also in the hooking role who was substantially better than he was.

Interesting that Diskin stated he was leaving because he wanted to regain the England number 9 role. Of course it was laughable at the time and quite clear it was Leeds clearing out, but where is he in the pecking order now? He's further down the ladder now than he was when playing back up at Leeds.

Somebody on this thread has clearly stated that Diskin was at best average after his injury in 2004. That's rubbish. It's also very clearly implied by a number of posters that we would definitely won the GF in 2009 with Buderus at hooker rather than Diskin.

So when would YOU have ditched Diskin? I don't have a problem at all with Buderus being the one chosen to continue with after the failed Diskin/Buderus rotation we had in 2009.

FYI, according to today's RLW, Buderus will be leaving Leeds for a return to Newcastle next season. If that happens and assuming we win sweet FA this year, Buderus can be added to a whole host of big name players that were fun to watch but in the scheme of things where the object IS to win things were abject failures.

I'm not sure why you'd think the above is somehow blinkered. I'm not sad Diskin has left, and wish him well at the Bulls.

Whoever said he was average since 2004 is been silly. But we would have won the GF in 2009 with Buderus at hooker, he was clearly the better of the two hookers that year before his injury, just never got the chance to prove it. So whoever put that I agree with them.



I would have ditched Diskin at the end of 2009, but I think his long term contract that was previously granted to him covered 2010 so the club couldn't do that. But I certainly wouldn't have messed around last season giving him as much game time as he got.



What I find strange is that certain posters on this board want us to continue with the class of 2004-2009 with the acceptance of not winning anything, because we have already had it so good. Yet Buderus get's classed as a failure because of the club not winning things. 3.99560546875:10