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Quote: klunk "yes they are, the southern hemisphere commentators seem to want 'hits' to be allowed.

you can just as easily cause a nasty injury by accident whilst wrapping your arms around.

let's not forget this tackle was entirely legal, just unfortunate for luke burgess'"


Missed out 4 pages of reading so not sure what has been said but yes, completely fair tackle and no-one can have any complaints about it. Wish it wasn't done in last minute of game tho when the game was lost!

It's a blokes game at the end of the day and you have to accept that these things happen, and the players def do too. Gutted that the lad will miss his chance of playing at Wembley. Next year tho...

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I hope Burgess is okay and doesn't miss wembley,from a wires fan. Is it official yet that his injuries are so bad he will miss the final? Re: banter and senior in particular. Leeds fans have a "we love you senior" chant. At the game earlier in the season at the HJ,a few of us wire fans sang to him. "We love you senior,because you're old and poo,we love you senior,because we score past you..........." a few minutes later the sod went under the sticks from halfway. That's "banter" I suppose! Cas fans? Never have been and never will be my cup of tea. Mostly hostile,argumentative and aggressive,and it seems they have learned absolutely nothing after being fined for the chants at Garreth Thomas earlier in the season.

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Quote: bewildered "no im sorry, i saw the picture posted when i got home, i was as angry about it at the moment in time when we werent sure of the full extent in the ground. the guy was on the floor hardly moving for nearly a minute. me personaly, even if it was lee briers i'd still be worried for the lad if he stays down as we know rugby league lads dont stay down for no reason. please stop making excuses, you may not have been one of them but the fans that did are nothing more than pathetic cretins'"


While I wholeheartedly agree with what you are saying, unfortuately at times Leeds "fans" have failed to cover themselves in glory in this respect. The Walker injury is an example of when things are as they should be. When Eastmond went down at headingley this year with what looked like a pretty serious shoulder injury there was quite a bit of anti Saints chanting in the delay. I remember being seething about it at the time as it gives our club a bad name. I guess all teams have idiots.

On reflection - I'm still not sure that tackle should be legal. I accept that might be a reaction to the injury but is that a bad thing? Surely we should be trying to limit serious injuries as much as possible. I'm not buying that the same injury occurs if the young lad has a little think about tackling him before the contact instead of just running into him. All those people who say they don't want to take big hits out of the game - you can still still deliver massive hits while wrapping your arms around the player.

My final concern is with the player, who must have felt the contact and known it was fairly serious, especially when Burgess was lying still on the floor, yet still proceeded to jump around like an idiot.
A) He looked a for celebrating like that when his team had been battered
B) He knew he'd hit him hard with his head, he knew he was lying still and motionless
Completely unecessary reaction

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Quote: bewildered "so you condone what was done?'"

100%

There was nothing illegal in the tackle, Yes it was reckless, But it was within the laws of the game, And there will be no punishment to the player

As for the chants, There was nothing wrong AT ALL. Some fans need to get a grip, Its the first thing Cas had to cheer all night, And every single fan who chanted light heartedly while Luke was treated to, Applauded him off, And i know, As i checked that they did

Nobody wants to see a player badly injured, but every RL fan wants to see your players KO someone, Just not cause serious injury

Looks like he is a mess, and wont play at Wembley, Which is a massive shame, But he will come back bigger and better, And count this as one of those RL injuries,

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Quote: Andy R "

My final concern is with the player, who must have felt the contact and known it was fairly serious, especially when Burgess was lying still on the floor, yet still proceeded to jump around like an idiot.
A) He looked a lover for celebrating like that when his team had been battered
B) He knew he'd hit him hard with his head, he knew he was lying still and motionless
Completely unecessary reaction'"



Its the unpalatable side of the Big Daft Lads syndrome, you'll see the same behaviour in every town centre after throwing out time every weekend.

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Quote: Dettoriman "100%


Nobody wants to see a player badly injured, but every RL fan wants to see your players KO someone, Just not cause serious injury

'"


You were correct in your first para, but way off the mark in the one I've highlighted - it may be a primary reason for you to watch RL matches but I think you are in a small minority if you only go to watch one or more players be knocked unconscious.

And its not possible to cause a loss of consciousness without causing serious injury - the very act of losing consciousness is a serious injury in itself regardless of how quickly the victim recovers.

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Quote: Dettoriman "100%

There was nothing illegal in the tackle, Yes it was reckless, But it was within the laws of the game, And there will be no punishment to the player

As for the chants, There was nothing wrong AT ALL. Some fans need to get a grip, Its the first thing Cas had to cheer all night, And every single fan who chanted light heartedly while Luke was treated to, Applauded him off, And i know, As i checked that they did

Nobody wants to see a player badly injured, but every RL fan wants to see your players KO someone, Just not cause serious injury

Looks like he is a mess, and wont play at Wembley, Which is a massive shame, But he will come back bigger and better, And count this as one of those RL injuries,

End of'"


You tool.

You condone what was in your words a reckless tackle which has caused serious injury.

You condone a set of morons chanting anti Leeds songs etc, while a player was down obviously seriously injured.

You think every fan wants to see opposing players knocked out.

I'm 100% sure this is not the case, I'd never wish for any player to be knocked out or badly injured in any way and I'm sure there are lots of other fans who agree.

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Quote: Andy R "You tool.

You condone what was in your words a reckless tackle which has caused serious injury.

You condone a set of morons chanting anti Leeds songs etc, while a player was down obviously seriously injured.

You think every fan wants to see opposing players knocked out.

I'm 100% sure this is not the case, I'd never wish for any player to be knocked out or badly injured in any way and I'm sure there are lots of other fans who agree.'"

Ok, KO was the wrong word. Rugby League is a mans sport, Every RL fan i know loves the big shots, And all the players do too, The reckless thing was, He didnt try wrapping his arms round him, To in effect make a "tackle", but he played within the laws of the game, And thats all the players can do

As for the chants, I didnt hear many anti Leeds ones, Just lots supporting Jonny Walker, Who i am sure, After a minute or so after the shot, Was feeling pretty bad for himself


Call me a tool, I dont care. I enjoyed the shot. The massive shame, Is it caused a player a serious injury. But we have had our share of bad moments in the last couple of seasons, So we know its not a nice feeling to be in. Luke will be alright, Take it on the chin (no pun intended) and get on with his career

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Walker came off worse in the initial shoulder impact but the clash of heads did the damage. If it weren't for the head clash Walker would have looked daft.

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Quote: Dettoriman "Ok, KO was the wrong word. Rugby League is a mans sport, Every RL fan i know loves the big shots, And all the players do too, The reckless thing was, He didnt try wrapping his arms round him, To in effect make a "tackle", but he played within the laws of the game, And thats all the players can do

As for the chants, I didnt hear many anti Leeds ones, Just lots supporting Jonny Walker, Who i am sure, After a minute or so after the shot, Was feeling pretty bad for himself


Call me a tool, I dont care. I enjoyed the shot. The massive shame, Is it caused a player a serious injury. But we have had our share of bad moments in the last couple of seasons, So we know its not a nice feeling to be in. Luke will be alright, Take it on the chin (no pun intended) and get on with his career'"


Surely the players should try and not be reckless whether in the laws of the game or not?

I enjoy a big hit as much as anyone - but never one that looks like it might have caused a serious injury.

I wasn't there so am only commenting on what I have heard reported about the chanting(and what came through the Sky microphones) but as some Cas fans are unhappy with it too, I would suggest you have maybe got this one wrong.

When did you enjoy it?

When it happened? While he was having his treatment, spitting blood and having a neck brace fitted? Or now, in the clear light of day looking back on it?

I'd say within about 10 seconds it was clear it was fairly serious. Any enjoyment of it and future enjoyment should have stopped at that point.

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Quote: Lupset_Airport "Walker came off worse in the initial shoulder impact but the clash of heads did the damage. If it weren't for the head clash Walker would have looked daft.'"


He did look daft, bouncing around like he'd scored the winning try in a Cup Final when a player he'd just tackled lay seriously injured on the floor.

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Jaw broke in 2 places. Operation on it today.

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Anyone who has played the game knows what was going on in those last 10 minutes icon_rolleyes.gif

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How's Peacock?

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Quote: Wire_74 "How's Peacock?'"


Kock to the knee.Scan on Moday.

The player and the club think it will be ok.

I suspect he'll be rested next week and back for Wembley icon_razz.gifRAY:

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