On reflection, don't bother. I don't care.

Wow TVOC that's impressive thanks a lot I bet this seasons percentage of wins is low without him.

You're welcome and you're not wrong there.

2012 - All Comps -

With McGuire%

(The one Leeds win without McGuire during 2012 was at Headingley against the club currently propping up SL.)

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You may no longer care but as others may still be interested here are the results%

Without McGuire%

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It would still be interesting to see if there is any variation when McGuire's influence on results is compared to Leeds' other key playmakers over this successful period in the club's history.

Would it though?

I think it would.

It appears the presence of McGuire improves Leeds ability to beat your chosen select group of teams so thanks to your intervention MGuire's stock has increased.

That said it could equally rise and fall in similar measure for the likes of Sinfield and Burrow over that same timescale. It may also be interesting to see Leeds' record when a combination of the three are missing if there is a large enough sample to quantify.

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Sinfield's next start will be the 400th of his Leeds 1st grade career. In doing so he will become the first Leeds player of the SL Era to reach the mark.

Congrats to Ryan Hall on becoming only the 4th Leeds player to score 30 or more tries in a season four years running - almost 40 years since John Atkinson became the last man to do it.

Nice find.

Ryan Hall has also moved into 4th on the Leeds SL Era Try-Scoring list for all comps.

1 - Danny McGuire 220
2 - Keith Senior 171
3 - Rob Burrow 149
4 - Ryan Hall 137
5 - Francis Cummins 136 (although 188 in total including pre SL)
6 - Mark Calderwood 106

(Only these six players have passed the century of tries with Leeds during the SL Era)

In terms of the SL Regular Rounds Try totals Hall has joined Cummins in equal 4th on Leeds' list.

1 - Danny McGuire 185
2 - Keith Senior 152
3 - Rob Burrow 123
=4 - Francis Cummins 111
=4 - Ryan Hall 111

(Only these five players have passed the century of Regular Round tries with Leeds during the SL Era)

Must admit that was from the official website. Perhaps with so many records being broken they're keeping an eye open for these sorts of things? In any event Hall's numbers (as shown by your lists above) are starting to become very impressive.

Slightly OT, but does anyone know how many points (and for whom) Sinfield has scored apart from for Leeds? According to the highly dodgy numbers I found via wiki, he's got something like 122 for GB and England? Certainly less than the number implied in the all-time scorers list earlier in this thread. I was trying to work out if he stands any chance of getting to 4k all up before he retires (assuming 2 more years for Leeds).

At Wembley Warrington became the 4th club to reach a thousand points minimum in total - All Comps - when facing Leeds during the SL Era.

1 - St Helens, 1553 pts, 59 games, average 26.32 per game
2 - Bradford, 1436 pts, 60 games, average 23.93 per game
3 - Wigan, 1328 pts, 58 games, average 22.90 per game
4 - Warrington, 1000 pts, 44 games, average 22.73 per game

In the same game Lee Briers extended his record as the most prolific drop-goal kicker Leeds have faced during the SL Era. Briers has now kicked five in total when facing the Headingley men - to put that in context the next best is two by eight different players while a further twenty seven have a solitary success to their name.

Kevin Sinfield is Leeds' best having kicked 31 in total. His best figure by opponent is five - those coming in games V St Helens and Wigan.

Rob Burrow's try V Salford was his 150th in Leeds colours.

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Leeds need four points to bring up a thousand this season in All Comps. It will be the 8th time Leeds have reached four figures in the seventeen seasons of SL. Their best so far being the colossal 1,424 in 2005.

With thanks to A-Fire-Inside for the International totals - Kevin Sinfield requires 7 two pointers for a personal haul of 1,500.

For Leeds - 1,424
For Great Britain - 18
For England - 51

Total - 1,493

The official site has Burrow on 149 tries.

I don't use any other sources for my Leeds stats, they have been built on a game by game basis since the start of the 1979/80 season (inspired by the Headingley Stories volume 1 and 2) and continue, now contained in a multitude of spredsheets rather than a multitude of A4 notebooks although the notebooks still play a part on gameday. While my stats are unofficial I'd back their accuracy over the official website 99.99% of the time.





I also agree with the YEP's figure of 353 appearances for Burrow in All Comps, who dummied over seconds before the hooter. David Mills scored Hull's first-half try, Paul Cooke converting and booting two penalties. Leeds extended their lead soon after the break as Kylie Leuluai powered over and then Burrow snapped up a loose ball to race 40 metres for his second. That made it 24-10 but tries by Scott Murrell and Peter Fox, both converted by Cooke, cut the advantage to two. Rovers looked most likely winners, but Keith Senior got the Rhinos back on track with a superb try and then Matt Diskin scored from close range, all the tries being converted by Kevin Sinfield.[/i

The Burrow tries are at 6 and 20 seconds.

Hey. I update the Kallum Watkins, Zak Hardaker and Danny McGuire wikipedia pages. If you need the stats for them they are on they (apps, tries, goals etc) They are correct as of before the Hudds game today and go by rugby league project .com.

The McGuire Leeds figures for App and Tries at Wiki are incorrect.

The Watkins Leeds figure for App at Wiki is inaccurate if it includes the Huddersfield game, if it doesn't include the Huddersfield game the try total is inaccurate. Either way it's incorrect.

The Hardaker Leeds figure at Wiki is accurate if it hasn't been updated for the Huddersfield game yet.

I wasn't questioning your version tvoc - the YEP also had Burrow making 150 if he scored against Salford. Just seemed odd that the Leeds site picked up on Hall's record of consecutive tries but missed the 150. I think the evidence you provided would be sufficient to win a court case if required.....

Would it be possible to give me McGuire's, Watkins and Hardaker's total (inc SL, Challenge Cup and Playoffs/WCC):

Apperences, Tries, Goals, Drop Goals, Total. as of the Huddersfield game please. If you have time of course. Thanks in advance