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Quote: tvoc "
Why? Has that ever happened before when a referee has made a mistake and if not in the past is it a precedence (if that's the word and I'm asking the right fella to tell me if it's not) we want to be setting for the future.'"


Just a (throw away) thought ....nothing else. Not really bothered. However, I stand by my remark that this was
more than a 'mistake'. It was incredibly remiss, unforgiveable and incontrovertibly incompetent especially for a man that holds the position that he does....compounded by the yet unknown consequences come the season's end.

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Quote: andrew1211 "www.youtube.com/watch?vGod I'd forgotten just how inexplicably annoying he is. icon_mad.gif

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We have been on the end of some bad calls from Steve Ganson, last year in the same match he gave a try for the biggest forward pass I have ever seen which got them within 2 points of Hull with a couple of minutes to go.

KR fans were running around Hull with Ganson on there shirts after that match, so was it Ganson paying us back I wouldnt like to think it was but you never know.

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Quote: MattyLeeds "Apologies'"


No problem at the time it happened I thought the same as you.

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Quote: Ferdy "I hear phil Clarke just trying to stick up for Steve ganson. Comparing his error to a forward pass saying we are more critical of a video ref than a forward pass but both can be just as costly

Hmmmm'"


Is it me or is Phil Clarke actually getting more and more full of s**t with each passing week?

Having watched more matches on Sky than usual this weekend, I'm thinking of writing to my MP, the UN and anyone with nuclear weapons for hire about that margin meter. It's so embarrasing.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "tvoc - IIRC Ganson's explanation offered after the game is that he tracked the wrong runner and believed Chris Green had come from behind the kicker.'"


He should have gone to SpecSavers.

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Don't like the anology of a video ref error being like a knock on or forward pass.

If that player could have numerous chances to re-think how he took that ball or how he run onto that ball. He is likely not to make that error. Players get one chance in (literally) real time. But video refs can re-check and rarely have an excuse for getting it wrong and they shouldn't get it wrong. Especially in this Ganson example. We're not discussing a boarderling play. It was a clear decision which he got wrong.

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It's quite clear that we need a second video ref to review the decision made by the first.


Alternately, we could scrap the entire gimmick and try to restore a modicum of spontaneity to a game that's sadly lacking it at present.

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I would like something a little closer to the NHL war-room where rather than having one ref reviewing one game as VR, they have a group of refs watching all games in one location.

This would add an extra check to minimise things like this happening, give VR's someone to have a quick discussion of it with and a possible cost saving if we were to roll it out to all matches in there wouldnt need to be a VR at all games

I also think that hearing the VR's talk it through is really helpful in understanding why a decision was made, often a controversial call is the result of two or three subjective decisions in a row

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Quote: MjM "Ganson has made a huge cock up, no doubt about it. But let's not re-write history

Really? You would go after the man who had nothing to do with the decision, purely because he has worked with FC before? That just doesnt make sense. Almighty balls up from Ganson, really awful decision, and I feel for KR fans, well, almost as much as they felt for us after last years quarterback pass. Im more worried about how the game looks to outsiders myself, and this has done nothing good for the image of rugby league icon_sad.gif.

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Also, just on that specific Ganson call, whilst obviously wrong according to the rules, i can't help thinking that the 'right' decision in that situation should be try. The reason why Hull FC scored was entirely down to a good kick and poor play by hull KR, i think two often we see poor play rescued by the onside/offside law.

Something along the lines of the offside player only needing to be outside 10 when the ball has bounced rather than when the player touches it would be fine with me.

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Still disagree just as I did when we discussed this at length after the Hall no try at the Bradford Easter game.

The chase should either be onside or played onside by the kicker running past them or by remaining outside the ten and frozen there until a defender touches the ball.

Rewarding an offside kick-chase is the wrong direction. The rule when applied correctly is fine as it is. I appreciate we take different views on this.

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for me its like football. only a foul if gaining an advantage or seeking to gain an advantage. if a try is ruled out for a player being 8m from the ball and not moving its a farce. he isn't trying to gain an advantage.

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If he isn't trying to gain an advantage, then why is he 8m away from the ball rather than 10m? Where do you draw the line? 6m? 5m? Right in front of the catcher?

Two things should have happened this week. Steve Ganson should have been stood down for the next round of games, as Thierry Alibert was when he cocked up the tackle count.

Neil Hudgell should also be asked to explain his comments about Jon Sharp and why he felt it necessary to make reference to him being a former Hull FC player.

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