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| Just so we are all in agreement here.
If one team kicks the ball upfield to the other, and the fullback collects the ball behind most of his team mates. He is tackled by the kicking team. The winger comes behind for the play the ball (only player back behind the ball), he makes a break, and passes to one of his forwards coming back.
We ALL accept that immediately that this happens, that it is a penalty to the defence?
Seriously if people really do not think that this will happen at all games, then they wont be looking. Lets look for the offence on Monday.
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| Quote DISA="DISA"
If one team kicks the ball upfield to the other, and the fullback collects the ball behind most of his team mates. He is tackled by the kicking team. The winger comes behind for the play the ball (only player back behind the ball), he makes a break, and passes to one of his forwards coming back.
We ALL accept that immediately that this happens, that it is a penalty to the defence?
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No. The referee makes a judgement that the players are attempting to get back onside and not deliberately hanging around in the oppositions defensive line.
Webb set off in support before Burrow even got past him.
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| Quote King Monkey="King Monkey"No. The referee makes a judgement that the players are attempting to get back onside and not deliberately hanging around in the oppositions defensive line.
Webb set off in support before Burrow even got past him.'"
How the hell can it be any different. Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
Either you are offiside or you are not. It was clearly stated that Webb had to go back level with the play the ball and then run forward to be onside.
I accept that a penalty may not be given. But that would be because the ref is wrong, as explained by those agreeing with the decision last night.
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| Quote DISA="DISA"How the hell can it be any different. Do you realize how stupid that sounds?'"
Just because you've made stupid statements dont tar us all with the same brush.
Quote DISA="DISA"Either you are offiside or you are not. '"
It's down to interpretation by the referee.
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But that would be because the ref is wrong, as explained by those agreeing with the decision last night.'"
The ref was not wrong.
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| Quote DISA="DISA"
We ALL accept that immediately that this happens, that it is a penalty to the defence?
Seriously if people really do not think that this will happen at all games, then they wont be looking. Lets look for the offence on Monday.'"
Don't forget your notebook and pen will you.
Personally I'd rather it was left to a Sky game so the action can be reviewed and any such instances analized more objectively.
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| Quote King Monkey="King Monkey"Just because you've made stupid statements dont tar us all with the same brush.
It's down to interpretation by the referee.
The ref was not wrong.'"
Rather than been too keen for arguments Danny Keyboard warrior. Think about your posts first.
Smith clearly states yesterday evening, that had Webb gone back to the play the ball before making his run, then he would have been fine. But as he didn't then he was offside.
There is nothing about interpretation in the rule book. You sound like Stevo and his momentum rule there. You are offside or not.
You repeat again the ref was not wrong last night. Again agreeing with you on it. Therfore if the ref does not pull penalty for the example I gave above, then he would be wrong on that occassion.
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| Quote DISA="DISA"
Smith clearly states yesterday evening, that had Webb gone back to the play the ball before making his run, then he would have been fine. But as he didn't then he was offside.'"
If Webb had attempted to get back rather than hanging around in the Bradford defensive line not even looking like he was trying to get back I doubt the officials would even have looked at it.
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| Quote DISA="DISA"Therfore if the ref does not pull penalty for the example I gave above, then he would be wrong on that occassion.'"
Can you give examples rather than hypothetical ones?
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"Don't forget your notebook and pen will you.
Personally I'd rather it was left to a Sky game so the action can be reviewed and any such instances analized more objectively.'"
But that does not matter tvoc. We dont need a sky game to see this occurance. Its quite easy to see full stop.
You must accept that many times in a game, a kick comes in with only the fullback and winger been back. Therefore when the fullback takes the tackle the winger will always run from the play the ball?
On less occassions the winger will make a break and pass to one of his players coming back. But it will happen, and can't be debated on. Might not happen Monday, but I will be watching, and sometime it will happen. That is the same scenario we are talking on as last night.
Infact if I was a gambling man, I would bet it happens in Ian Smiths next gaem.
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| Quote true southstander="true southstander"So, the rule states that once the advantage has gone, the player is onside: ie rob put him onside when he went past him.
Also, you have to credit Stevo this one time: if this was offside, every time a fullback collects a ball put behind the play and then runs forward, the whole team are offside.
Complete bollox? Exactly. we were robbed!'"
SPOT ON matey - I am a Bulls fan, but also a Rugby League Fan & we were so "lucky" last night that I felt a bit ashamed of those so called "Officials" who referee our great sport.
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| Quote King Monkey="King Monkey"If Webb had attempted to get back rather than hanging around in the Bradford defensive line not even looking like he was trying to get back I doubt the officials would even have looked at it.'"
I agree.
But forwards coming back 40 metres from a kick in the example I gave on the other page, is a lot further, and there will be occurances where a pass is made to them from a back making the break.
I await your consistent comments on those incidents when they happen.
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| Quote DISA="DISA"
I await your consistent comments on those incidents when they happen.'"
It's up to the referee to be consistent, not me.
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