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Quote: tvoc "Not one to use Opta personally but those that do can't have helped but notice how much more even the ten St Helens forwards shared their defensive duties when compared to the Leeds eight - not rocket science I know but it does highlight one effect of not fully utilising the bench.'"


So if you didn't use OPTA on what information did you base your statement?
Just asking like.
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Not withstanding the wink, I record the Opta stats made freely available online after each regular round game - as I know you've seen the evidence of in the past.

I've stopped short of reproducing the figures but I know some put some faith in them.

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Leeds were poor tonight. No doubt Brian will cop for the criticism.

Although scoring just 6 points in 120 minutes of RL isn't the greatest.

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Quote: Bruce_Forsyth "Leeds were poor tonight. No doubt Brian will cop for the criticism.

Although scoring just 6 points in 120 minutes of RL isn't the greatest.'"


Meh. Leeds were always going to have a comedown from the CC, it's just most people expected it last week and not this. That statistic, leeds have been without 2 of their best attacking players for all those minutes and a man down for a large chunk. I've been a critic of leeds attack but in this instant it fairly meaningless.

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Quote: FlexWheeler "Meh. Leeds were always going to have a comedown from the CC, it's just most people expected it last week and not this. That statistic, leeds have been without 2 of their best attacking players for all those minutes and a man down for a large chunk. I've been a critic of leeds attack but in this instant it fairly meaningless.'"


Don't know if you were one of them, but it wasn't so long ago that many were saying McGuire's best days were long gone !!! How times do change icon_biggrin.gif

Whichever way you look at it, it is a pretty depressing statistic.

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Quote: nantwichexile "Don't know if you were one of them, but it wasn't so long ago that many were saying McGuire's best days were long gone !!! How times do change His best days are gone, but he can still add something to the team, something I am happy to say I questioned earlier in the e season and have been proved wrong on

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Quote: nantwichexile "Don't know if you were one of them, but it wasn't so long ago that many were saying McGuire's best days were long gone !!! How times do change
His best days are gone. Watch some clips on youtube, he does things which are unheard of for him now. In fact watching leeds from even 5 or 6 years ago is pretty depressing we scored tries then which we simply never do anymore.

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Quite true , we were spoilt for a long time and the entertainment value has somewhat gone now , very little offloading , backing up and a definate lack of pace in the pack and at half back Burrow apart . Everyone said we have the best threequarters in the league but we have failed to get them moving much this year and we seem very short of planned moves . Still like i said at the start we have been spoilt and when you look at the squad now it is no where near it was when we could leave Adamson and Dunneman out of our 17

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Quote: The Eagle "His best days are gone, but he can still add something to the team, something I am happy to say I questioned earlier in the e season and have been proved wrong on'"


In fairness, the importance of any side's halves cannot be overestimated. I bet there aren't many fans that haven't imagined at one time or another how much better their teams would perform if one or both of their halves was replaced.

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Quote: Clearwing "In fairness, the importance of any side's halves cannot be overestimated. I bet there aren't many fans that haven't imagined at one time or another how much better their teams would perform if one or both of their halves was replaced.'"


I agree.I too have questioned Mcguire earlier in the year but hold my hands up and admit i was wrong. he has really stepped up in the big cup games this year and when he hasn't played recently we have missed him.He is obviously not the player he was,but there is such a dearth of quality half backs in SL and when you look around it is hard to find many better TBH,especially on the big stage.

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He's got to go, surely that has to be recognised now by all?

The players love him because they can get away with this crap

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Not for me, need to give him chance to re build and get rid of the dead wood, e.g Sinfield, Maguire, Kirke, Bailey & JJB and get him a decent number 2 who can help with the attacking play as he has not got a clue when it comes to coaching attacking football.

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Quote: Rh1nomick "Not for me, need to give him chance to re build and get rid of the dead wood, e.g Sinfield, Maguire, Kirke, Bailey & JJB and get him a decent number 2 who can help with the attacking play as he has not got a clue when it comes to coaching attacking football.'"


Sinfield, McGuire n JJB? Dead wood? 3 of our best players from this season?

I agree McDermott has run his course we need somebody with new ideas however.

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Sinfield our best player!!!!!????

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Quote: Rh1nomick "Not for me, need to give him chance to re build and get rid of the dead wood, e.g Sinfield, Maguire, Kirke, Bailey & JJB and get him a decent number 2 who can help with the attacking play as he has not got a clue when it comes to coaching attacking football.'"


I'm not convinced Sinfield and McGuire are in the deadwood category. I agree with the rest of your post

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