You said we wont win anything until we replace most of our forward pack

You then said "Smith isnt perfect, but he is rebuilding the team and that will take time"

Im pointing out that Smith has chosen "most of our forward pack" you clearly dont rate from last night, to be part of his rebuild, by either bringing them to the club or re- signing them to longer deals to stay at the club.

By that logic, you must think he's doing a terrible job of the rebuild.

I understand what you're saying and I probably explained my point poorly. The players we have signed are fine for the point we are at, but they aren't the long term solution and I doubt Smith sees them that way. You have to sign some players/re-sign players that you might not want because you literally need a team on the field. The signings we have made, the length of those contracts and the age of them are a telling sign of where they fit into the team. I would expect the backline to stay pretty consistent for a few years, with a view to getting some of our 'project' props up to a very high standard and then splashing out on one, maybe two to top that off depending on development.

I don't believe we will be 'successful' until 2026 when our bulk of players are in the 26-30 range, with a view to hopefully continuing that success in the years following with the likes of Gannon, Sinfield, TNW etc.

Unless he changes the style of play, and frankly I suspect the culture to one which does not accept the level of mistakes we make, we won’t even be challenging in 2026 either. We have zero intensity with one without the ball, we are the RL equivalent of the latter years of Alex Higgins, who could occasionally pull off an incredible shot, but would lose more often than he won and would also never stop moaning.

He also headbutted a tournament official. Only a matter of time before Rohan does the same to Kendall, I reckon.

I might like him if he did that!!

I said this time last year Smith wasn’t it based on how we started the season after the upsurge back-end of 2022. We are going nowhere under Smith, I will die on that hill.

It’s Richard Agar with an Australian accent.

If we play really poorly and lose on Thursday, then my mind will be made up on Smith.
He doesn't have the capability to adequately coach a team to consistent results and performances.

But the club won't knee jerk.
I actually think he will stay until the end of the season.
But I do think the club will make up it's mind after 12 games and if we are bottom half, GH will be planning for a change for next season.

One of my questions is will the journos pick up on the feeling amongst the fans and write about it? That’s really the catalyst for change, when the word starts spreading. Otherwise it’s just some fans moaning on a forum.

Will become obvious if attendances are as poor as the CC game. Fans will eventually start booing team off etc if it gets much worse…..

Attendances wont drop as so many ST holfers and corporate that will be booked for the whole season. The crunch we come if they cant fill the corporate - that subsidises the ST costs.

I can agree that if we are bottom half still at the season half way point, if we haven’t had a massive injury crisis of biblical proportions again to account for it (which isn’t the fault of the coach)…. Then I will willingly join the Voodoo Club.

GH is no longer capable of making the right rugby decisions, proven over nearly a decade.

I think your last sentence has it though. You guys whip yourselves up into a frenzy on here while I think a big proportion of the fan base gets on with life.

It’s an echo chamber.

Of course Smith is under pressure, any Leeds coach is.

I’ve seen enough so far this year to believe that we’ll fare pretty well over the next batch of fixtures. If we don’t then personally I’ll start considering Smith as the problem.

Obviously I know F all about the game though as I’m not an ex Super League player like most of our disaffected seem to be.

Attendances at the opening three games have been very good. Averaging about 15k despite pretty ropey weather. This forum (much as I like it) is not representative of the average punter who goes to a game on a Friday night. Let's face it, people who tend to come on here like a good moan - and that’s putting it politely. I would wager a very high % of posters have long since ceased to be regular paying customers and largely follow the game via TV. None of that alters the fact that the next three games sre crucial for Smith. All are winnable, and with a largely fit squad, Smith should be winning them. Two fairly close defeats against Saints isn't the end of the world, but wins against Cas, Wire and Hudds are required to show an exceptable level of progress.

On the contrary, I think this forum does represent the average fan. After all they have taken time out to post about the club and its direction. The majority of postings are perfectly fair and reasonable. Either for or against the club, as for moaning, well we’ve had a lot to moan about for quite a few seasons.