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Quote: rhinoms "I think you'll find Myler hasn't played since july when his form drastically dipped when the speculation about his future started.
Plus he must be some super-star to have played better than the both of them on half a years form and certainly didn't warrant a starting spot over Tompkins.
Shenton although started the season brightly has been no better than Senior OR Gilmour over the whole season.'"


So rhinoms you got any thoughts or feelings on who should be playing tomorrow?

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Quote: thebloodbath "So rhinoms you got any thoughts or feelings on who should be playing tomorrow?

Briscoe
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Roby
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Ellis
Gilmour
Sinfield

Graham
Burgess
Burrow
Crabtree/Carvell.

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Quote: Gotcha "
Shenton too has been the 2nd best English centre in the competition this year.
'"
Has he?

OMG things are bad.

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Quote: rhinoms "I think you'll find Myler hasn't played since july when his form drastically dipped when the speculation about his future started.
Plus he must be some super-star to have played better than the both of them on half a years form and certainly didn't warrant a starting spot over Tompkins.
Shenton although started the season brightly has been no better than Senior OR Gilmour over the whole season.'"


You asked if he had been the form 7 for the year, over Burrow and Brough. He has been the better 7, with only Dobson having as equally good year, who coincidentally also let his form drop at the back end.

I dont dissagree with you on Senior or Gilmour. And I made my feelings known earlier in thread that I thought Pryce should have been one of the centres.

But you talked about form, which although not my over riding criteria in picking international teams appeared to be yours. And on that basis you could not argue with Myler and Shenton.

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Quote: rhinoms "Briscoe
Hall
Senior
Smith
T.Briscoe
Mcguire
Tompkins
Morley
Roby
Peacock
Ellis
Gilmour
Sinfield

Graham
Burgess
Burrow
Crabtree/Carvell.'"



No JJB or Burrow??? icon_wink.gif

Wunt have Gilmour anywhere near it - Westwood offers enough moronicism for our England team. Surely that would be taking a huge step back? What about Paul Johnson as utility man on the bench?? icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Gotcha "You asked if he had been the form 7 for the year, over Burrow and Brough. He has been the better 7, with only Dobson having as equally good year, who coincidentally also let his form drop at the back end.

I dont dissagree with you on Senior or Gilmour. And I made my feelings known earlier in thread that I thought Pryce should have been one of the centres.

But you talked about form, which although not my over riding criteria in picking international teams appeared to be yours. And on that basis you could not argue with Myler and Shenton.'"

So in Burrows case we dismiss the last 3 months then??
Plus i take "on form" to mean at least the last 6wks or so not april and on that criteria Myler and Shenton don't warrant a starting place imo.
I don't see how you can say to a player it's ok if you've not played or have been average for 3mths you are still starting icon_confused.gif
We might aswell get fielden in there then because i can remember when he was on form.

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Quote: thebloodbath "No JJB or Burrow??? Jjb has had a knee op and is out till pre-season icon_wink.gif
Burrow on the bench!!

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Quote: rhinoms "Briscoe
Hall
Senior
Smith
T.Briscoe
Mcguire
Tompkins
Morley
Roby
Peacock
Ellis
Gilmour
Sinfield

Graham
Burgess
Burrow
Crabtree/Carvell.'"


You should be drug tested!!

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Quote: Richie Ramrod "You should be drug tested!!'"

C'mon then "uber coach" lets hear your wisdom!!
P.s Don't forget you are way down with damo in the credabillity stakes!!

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Quote: Serge A. Storms "I am not sure what else Smith could do I would go with the following

1. Owen
2. Shenton
3. Ellis
4. Smith
5. Hall
6. Sinfield
7. McGuire
8. Morley
9. Diskin
10.Graham
11.Gilmour
12.Peacock
13.Burgess

Subs
14.Carvell
15.Roby
16.Eastmond
17.Crabtree

I personally would not have Tomkins anywhere near this side - I think the Aussies will destroy him tomorrow - this is the big league.

We will not beat the Aussies by free flowing rugby the only chance we have is to control their forward motion and beat them in a tight game.

To do that we will have to defend like the Kiwis did last week hence Ellis and Gilmour to defend on either side

We need a boring structured attack hence Sinfield at 6

Pity Owen isn't selected for me he is the most exciting young player in SL.'"


There's a lot of merit in what you say in this post and I agree that Owen has to be a future England full back. But in reality that team isn't massively different from the one that will be playing on Saturday.

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Quote: rhinoms "C'mon then "uber coach" lets hear your wisdom!!
P.s Don't forget you are way down with damo in the credabillity stakes!!'"


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Senior
Price
Fox
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Eastmond
Morley
Diskin
Graham
Peacock
Ellis
Burgess

Roby
McGuire
Bailey
Carvell.

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Quote: Richie Ramrod "Smith
Hall
Senior
Price
Fox
Tompkins
Eastmond
Morley
Diskin
Graham
Peacock
Ellis
Burgess

Roby
McGuire
Bailey
Carvell.'"


Bench too light. No such player as price. Bailey icon_lol.gif

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Quote: rhinoms "So you think myler has been the form 7 this year over burrow and Brough or deserved his start before Tompkins??
Shenton should be picked over Senior or even Gilmour??
Sykes i won't even go into this one it speaks for itself if he's picking on form then he shouldn't be there.
He stated re-Brough that he wouldn't be interested in players that switch"countries" yet he selected ireland pair Harrison and Bridge.
The club bias accusation clearly comes from the Myler selection over Tompkins and Burrow who on form are clearly ahead of Myler.
I'll be more than happy if England win and prove nearly everyone wrong but when a coach states himself he's picking "on form" and for the "future" then selects the squad he has then criticism and differing opinion on that squad is warranted nd expected.'"


Brough isn't eligable. Shenton is the form centre in SL after Senior (who's 33 by the way). I don't agree with Myler's selection over Burrow's but I can understand it. ATEOTD barring the odd selection Smith has picked the best squad he can with the players he has available. I think Smith knows that England arn't in a position to win any tournament and he probably sees it as his job to try a build a side capable of winning major tournements in the future. Why can't people just give the guy a chance.

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Quote: Richie Ramrod "Smith
Hall
Senior
Price
Fox
Tompkins
Eastmond
Morley
Diskin
Graham
Peacock
Ellis
Burgess

Roby
McGuire
Bailey
Carvell.'"

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Is this the same Diskin you've dismissed as past it and cr#p all year???
Re-Eastmond how many games has he started at 7 at SL level and excelled in? so i don't agree he should start at 7 for england
I actually think Smith at FB is good call btw icon_eek.gif
As for Fox,Briscoe "outplayed" him imo and rightly should start.
Again there is an issue with Pryce many fans bang on about him whilst many others myself included don't think he cuts it anymore and hasn't for at laest 2 seasons.
Not a bad squad given who's available but i'd like to hear yer counter reasons other than "you should be drug tested" icon_lol.gif icon_wink.gif

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Quote: leicester_rhino "Bench too light. No such player as price. Bailey
Yikes, spelling mistakes make you laugh, god you must have a thrill ride of a life.

Anyway.........

Plenty of options to rotate the players around that are actually on the park which is always good when facing the likes of Australia and New Zealand.

My side would put 30 points on rhinoms (his looks as dangerous as a water pistol on the streets of Helman Province).

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