[quote="HucknallLoiner":3cax52f6]I can't imagine there's an insurance policy covering professional rugby players when they get injured because so many get injured that the premium would be huge.[/quote:3cax52f6] Plenty of Sports Insurers out there for Professional and Elite Sports, including rugby players .

[quote="Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino":2tt9gw29]Bleases interview he states that as Sivo hasn't played a game in the league they don't even have to submit paperwork for him to be removed from the "Live" cap.Its the dispensation possibilities of the quota Leeds are currently exploring but hasn't heard anything back from the Super league admins.Hopefully Blease has something in his little black book that he can put together.I'd rather us hold fire and bring in quality than filling a space so we may have to wait and see if there's anyone being pushed out / not getting game time elsewhere.Reckon we'll still get that email from gawwy saying were up to the cap though, its tradition.[/quote:2tt9gw29] He hasn't played and isn't going to play this season. He's removed completely from the cap. With regard to the quota, there is no defensible position other than to remove him for the season.

It's pretty poor stuff that there's no guidance on quota spot already in the rules. Shambles.

[quote="Trebor1":2r4bwu0x]It's pretty poor stuff that there's no guidance on quota spot already in the rules. Shambles.[/quote:2r4bwu0x] and why is it taking them so long to confirm whether we have a free quota spot or not.

[quote="Trebor1":1kmfsu96]It's pretty poor stuff that there's no guidance on quota spot already in the rules. Shambles.[/quote:1kmfsu96] Absolutely. The two go hand in hand. Rank amateur stuff yet again.

[quote="rugbyleague88":1tk09acu]and why is it taking them so long to confirm whether we have a free quota spot or not.[/quote:1tk09acu] Agreed. Poor that it's not in the rules to start with, another level of poor that this just wasn't sorted within 10 mins of the issue being raised.

[quote="rugbyleague88":1my49qyo]and why is it taking them so long to confirm whether we have a free quota spot or not.[/quote:1my49qyo] Its absolutely amateur

That's a bit harsh. Its just an issue that's never come up before, so isn't codified. The cap exemption will only have been applied a few times since it was first mooted (be interesting to know, as absolutely certain pre season-ending injuries aren't that common). Anyone who has any experience of contracts or legislation will know that these things are often drafted with what seem to be "obvious" gaps. Filling those gaps, despite how obvious they might be, often isn't straightforward, as there may be a tortuous process to do so.

[quote="Once were Loiners":1hyj7gn2]That's a bit harsh. Its just an issue that's never come up before, so isn't codified. The cap exemption will only have been applied a few times since it was first mooted[/quote:1hyj7gn2] Nah, it's much easier doing a brain-dead pile onto the RFL and mis-spelling Hetherington's name.

Matty Lees anyone rumours that Saints are losing Morgan Knowles and Matty Lees due to Capp space Knowles to Dolphins Wire sniffing Lees. Come on Leeds great prop if we have any spec due to Sivo.

[quote="Chesterrhino":b3l2z2n9]Matty Lees anyone rumours that Saints are losing Morgan Knowles and Matty Lees due to Capp space Knowles to Dolphins Wire sniffing Lees. Come on Leeds great prop if we have any spec due to Sivo.[/quote:b3l2z2n9]Those moves are not going to be for this season. The Sivo cap space is so they are unrelated timing wise.

[quote="MjM":sc2nnjjf]Nah, it's much easier doing a brain-dead pile onto the RFL and mis-spelling Hetherington's name.[/quote:sc2nnjjf] I’d say the brain dead ones are the ones who fail to consider overseas players when allowing salary cap dispensation. Amateur.

It's far from a brain dead pile on. It shouldn't be beyond the wit of the RFL to consider the OQ situation at the same time as the cap when drafting regs. Occurrences may be rare, but clearly have been considered likely enough to draft the cap dispensation rule. If it hasn't been considered that this may apply to an OQ player, and therefore the impact on said OQ then yes, it is amateur.

[quote="YosemiteSam":3geklbv4]It's far from a brain dead pile on. It shouldn't be beyond the wit of the RFL to consider the OQ situation at the same time as the cap when drafting regs. Occurrences may be rare, but clearly have been considered likely enough to draft the cap dispensation rule. If it hasn't been considered that this may apply to an OQ player, and therefore the impact on said OQ then yes, it is amateur.[/quote:3geklbv4] Did you think of it when the first occuronce happened? It's only fairly recent that I can think of it happening, within the last couple of years as far as i know. If you thought of it did you say " what about quota players? why haven't they made provisions?" If not, why not?

fair enough that nobody considered it, but why it's taking so long is amateurish.

[quote="LeedsLurch":3edgd6w3]Did you think of it when the first occuronce happened? It's only fairly recent that I can think of it happening, within the last couple of years as far as i know. If you thought of it did you say " what about quota players? why haven't they made provisions?" If not, why not?[/quote:3edgd6w3] My point is, regardless of how frequently it has actually happened, the RFL has a policy to cover the cap aspect. But that policy doesn't address the OQ implications. So no one thought "what if the player involved is on the OQ?". I find that staggering, don't you? And yes, I did think how does it impact our quota spots, but didn't fret as I assumed (wrongly, as it turns out) the the RFL policy would provide clarity.

[quote="tad rhino":1ky6aovw]fair enough that nobody considered it, but why it's taking so long is amateurish.[/quote:1ky6aovw] Only reason I can think of is that they might need the clubs to approve it. No idea if that's right though

[quote="tad rhino":3uhl3xck]fair enough that nobody considered it, but why it's taking so long is amateurish.[/quote:3uhl3xck] Maybe they need to consult with lawyers, and that's never a quick process

[quote="Clearwing":17r1wgz7]Only reason I can think of is that they might need the clubs to approve it. No idea if that's right though[/quote:17r1wgz7] It very possibly needs other club approval, most things in SL do. It may also be tied in with the RFL's agreements with the home office over quotas and visas. But nah I'm sure it's just incompetence.

[quote="MjM":piz7jjph]It very possibly needs other club approval, most things in SL do. It may also be tied in with the RFL's agreements with the home office over quotas and visas. But nah I'm sure it's just incompetence.[/quote:piz7jjph] I wouldn’t want to employ you with the reactive rather than proactive mindset. I don’t think it takes a genius to consider when giving salary cap dispensation’s for players injured in pre-season what to do in scenarios where the player is on the quota but clearly thats just me.

The lack of competence isn’t around anything to do with other clubs or the government, it’s around how something that is relatively obvious can be missed in the first place. When RFL were thinking about rules around excluding players from the cap, it’s at best negligent of them not to consider the impact on different categories of player that could be affected.

The misunderstanding here is thinking it is the RFL who create the salary cap rules.

The RFL are the body in charge, they are responsible in making sure all the rules and regs created by whoever, are fit for purpose.

[quote="Trebor1":xvkwilua]The RFL are the body in charge, they are responsible in making sure all the rules and regs created by whoever, are fit for purpose.[/quote:xvkwilua] They essentially implement the rules. The clubs define them.