I agree

What changes should we make? I’d like us to bring in Jimmy Keinhorst, a solid defender. Ablett probably not fit to play.

Crosby will come in for Ablett so probably Cuthbo back to 13 and JJB to 2nd row.

Who's turn is it to play at 6 this week?

ideally I wouldn't have jjb anywhere near the team nowadays

We seem to have finally discovered how to score points over the last few games, but our defence since Sinfield came back has been appalling. Regardless of selection we need to improve drastically otherwise every game will be far closer than it needs to be.

Our points conceeded has been appalling, but actually our defence statistically is not has bad as it was. We are missing less tackles than we have all year. in the most. We do however make some very soft mistakes.

You can excuse the odd mistake, particularly if effort is made to cover for it. But we seem to be making mistakes and nobody is putting in the extra effort to make sure that mistakes aren't turned into tries. Anyway Sinfield said the defence up the middle simply wasn't good enough, which letting in 38 points at home would tend to support.

Given Sinfield's comments post game, I'd expect Crosby plus maybe Oledzki and Smith to get a chance. If Ward moves back to the pack we have the ability to drop forwards who aren't putting in the required effort in defence. That won't fix everything but some of these guys really need to have a look at themselves and their contributions, and if they don't buck up then they need to be dropped.

Our mistakes in defence were not up the middle on Saturday. They were on the right edge of Sutfliffe, Ward, and Briscoe, who missed 14 tackles between them, out of 28 misses for the team.

However, where we were soft in the middle was with defending on the line.

I understand we could do we with a win but can anyone explain how this is must win?

If we lose Sunday but win the remaining 3 games after that would put us on 10 points and that would be enough to be safe wouldn't it?

Its a must win ,every game in middle 8s is must. If we get beat by Widnes would you say ; its ok all we need to do is win our remaining 3 games and we'll be ok ? come on !

Our defence was soft all over the park, but didn't they have 2 break away trys through the middle?

surely one of the halves in the academy is worth a punt have to be better than the woeful Sutcliife, if they are not worth given at least a chance now they probably never will be given one.

If we lost the pressure builds and we would have to beat Salford who look a class apart from the rest of the middle 8s if we are to avoid the MPG.

If Leeds lost to Widnes then there would be so very worried administrators/directors at Headingley.

If we lose to the shambles that is Widnes then we don't deserve a place in SL. FWIW I think our attack has improved enough that we can just try and outscore them, we need to fire out of the blocks and put it to bed early - problem is I don't think this current side has enough killer instinct to do it, watching the KR game back we should have kicked on ad put at least 40 on them but we just didn't look like we mentally could do it. And despite everyone praising the 'brilliant' KR they were just as bad if not worse than us in defence, we just couldn't take advantage of it.

Also on the middle 8 teams, is it just me who hasn't seen anything outstanding from Toronto?