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| Quote: Matt23 "Why did we abandon the tactics of kicking on the 3rd tackle, which worked so well against Wigan in the semi? '"
I think the plan V Wigan on exit sets was to kick after the fourth rather than after the third (I'd have to check to be sure) and I think Leeds did a bit of that at Wembley also although again I'd have to check but please don't make me.
Leeds got off to a flyer on the scoreboard V Wigan because Tomkins isn't the best under a high bomb if you hit the mark spot on as Sinfield did for Hall's first, on the next Leeds set Tomkins let a harmless looking kick dribble into touch for a 40:20 - Jones-Bishop try in the attacking set that followed and I think it was two sets later when Charnley unexpectedly spilled a kick return which ened with Hardaker scoring after a forward pass from I think Sinfield to Peacock was missed by Thaler and his officials.
I imagine Wigan couldn't believe how badly they'd handled the opening and I bet Leeds were pretty shocked too on how efficiently they'd made them pay for their misakes.
A triumph of tactics or a shocking opening by Wigan? Warrington were nowhere near as generous at Wembley although I suspect Leeds were attempting to replicate the 4th tackle kicks on exit sets. Somebody check for me.
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| The Warrington tactics were obvious from the start when they pressurised Sir Kev on every kick - even when the ball had gone / Abblett punched in the face - they were fired up This compares to our total of lack of pressure on Briers, who should have been taken out in the same manner. If you see the opposition punch one of your players smack in the face, & only a penalty given, you don"t have to be a brain surgeon to realise that you can get stuck into the opposition - where were our enforcers ?
Other questions -
- why when we have a winger over 6 feet ( BJB ) against Riley do we never once put a kick on that wing ?
- why against a team with a stronger pack do you have a bench with only 2 big forwards + Lunt _ the kid ?
- why are our wrestling / holding down techniques so inferior to the other top teams
- why cant the coaching staff realise that when you lose the best tackling hooker that I have seen ( been watching Leeds for over 40 years ) & replace him with a second rater from Huddersfiled or McShane, who had been tried & failed under 2 previous coaches , that it is not going to work ?
- need I go on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Replacing Buderus was always going to be difficult, but at least the plan there is understabndable - Burrow to spell with AN Other. Personally I think Lunt is solid and no more, and prefer McShane when I've seen him.
As for the rest, getting smashed up the middle with a complete inability to control the tackle in defence is always going to cause huge problems defensively, and Warrington have some very smart players and a team which knows how to run set plays very well. The only chance we have against that sort of attack is to control the PTB and slow it right down to allow the defence time to move.
In attack the lack of structure was also there under Smith at times as well, where we frequently looked more dangerous from further out. What ALL coaches in SL should be doing is looking at the way Wire and Wigan run their attack close to the line. Or even better, have a look at the NRL where every side at least tries to do it. Why Leeds seem to have no idea of how to set up an attacking set of tackles is beyond me.
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| Quote: Archer "If you see the opposition punch one of your players smack in the face, & only a penalty given, you don"t have to be a brain surgeon to realise that you can get stuck into the opposition - where were our enforcers ?
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too right, our next run on the next set should have been straight at one of their strike players, briers/myler/etc, with a view to landing one square in the face after the play the ball.
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| One of the things that I just cant get my head around is why we dont use Watkins more. He's probably the best 1 on 1 attacker in the league, and certainly one of the best attackers given any space. However, we hardly ever seem to create the space for him. We just chuck him the ball and hope he does it all himself. Where are the plays to suck defenders into the middle of the field, or dummy runners to take some defenders away from him.
Used correctly, he could be the most potent attacker in the league - at the moment he's a bit of a passenger, with the ability to make something out of nothing every now and then.
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| Quote: Superted "One of the things that I just cant get my head around is why we dont use Watkins more. He's probably the best 1 on 1 attacker in the league, and certainly one of the best attackers given any space. However, we hardly ever seem to create the space for him. We just chuck him the ball and hope he does it all himself. Where are the plays to suck defenders into the middle of the field, or dummy runners to take some defenders away from him.
Used correctly, he could be the most potent attacker in the league - at the moment he's a bit of a passenger, with the ability to make something out of nothing every now and then.'"
Agreed, with his footwork, speed and strength he has all the assets to be a great centre. However, playing on the right means naturally he gets less ball.
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| Quote: The Eagle "Agreed, with his footwork, speed and strength he has all the assets to be a great centre. However, playing on the right means naturally he gets less ball.'"
Naturally, yes..... Which is exactly why the structures and coaching should be aimed at creating field position to then use a manufactured move/set play to get the ball to him early and in space. A coach like Tim Sheens, Michael McGuire, Wayne Bennett, Craig Bellamy in the NRL would have a field day with Watkins in their team - they'd have numerous full sets all structured with the aim of giving him just 1 tackle in the set with a bit of space.
We however completey waste him.
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| Quote: Superted "Quote: Superted "Agreed, with his footwork, speed and strength he has all the assets to be a great centre. However, playing on the right means naturally he gets less ball.'"
Naturally, yes..... Which is exactly why the structures and coaching should be aimed at creating field position to then use a manufactured move/set play to get the ball to him early and in space. A coach like Tim Sheens, Michael McGuire, Wayne Bennett, Craig Bellamy in the NRL would have a field day with Watkins in their team - they'd have numerous full sets all structured with the aim of giving him just 1 tackle in the set with a bit of space.
We however completey waste him.'"
One of the problems being that we have Hall out on the left as an equally big threat. By having one big threat on each side we are well balanced, but we do seem unable to make the most of them in attack. Much of this is down to the fact that under the last 3 coaches we have never really played a structured attack, we have just relied on the ability of individuals to break the line
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| Agreed - and the problem is, our line breakers are getting older, or have moved on. We either have to replace the line breakers 'like for like' not 'Ali for Huaraki', or have a fundmental change to the way we attack. If we are to fundementally change the way we attack, there has to be some massive decisions involving players/legends that have done alot for this club.
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| Quote: Superted " If we are to fundementally change the way we attack, there has to be some massive decisions involving players/legends that have done alot for this club.'"
Not to mention the coaching staff!
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| Tactics? Have we got any? Got the worlds best winger who never saw the ball at Wembley. TBH its like watching a team regenerating into the world of one man rugby...
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| Quote: Eddie Rombo "Tactics? Have we got any? Got the worlds best winger who never saw the ball at Wembley. TBH its like watching a team regenerating into the world of one man rugby...'"
Well you can't expect anything else when you have two Bradford Northern forwards coaching the team
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| If Watkins was playing at Wigan or Warrington, he'd be the best player in the Super League by a mile. They have great structure in attack. Leeds leaky defence is awful too, I thought defence might be a positive of McDermott's but its got worse under him.
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| Quote: rugbyleague88 "Leeds leaky defence is awful too.'"
Yeah I prefer the good version of leaky defence.
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