What makes you think Sinny has the financial or management expertise to be a CEO. Being a former great rugby player and captain does not mean you would be a success at running a sweetie shop let alone being in charge of multi million pound business with huge property assets. Yes he could be a PR man but as a CEO in name only would need other professionals to run the business in the same way he will need a professional coach to run the team.

So what you are saying is that the root problem was not the coach but the players, or more specifically the lack of adequate replacements of former star players. On this we can agree.

The fault lies with GH and the moths in his wallet.

Saying the fault lies in just one place or the other is a bit simplistic. You don't go from the heights we have experienced to where we are now by one thing only going wrong.

The team has been (criminally) under funded for years, and the players have been allowed to let standards drop below what should reasonably be expected of them. There is more than one "culprit" here.

I don't think he has all the knowledge and experience at the moment, and like anyone moving into a new position he will need to acquire it. What I do believe is that Kevin is intelligent enough, and has shown enough Leadership characteristics, to be afforded the time to develop the skills and knowledge that is required by a CEO. He also has an expert (who's taken his eye off the ball in the last couple of years granted) to teach him over the next year or two.

I actually typed out a much longer and more precise response but my bl00dy connection was lost and so was the post...

Still unable to accept his hero carrys any blame or accountability whatsoever.

People still seriously miss the biggest issue of McDermotts reign in its entirety. He could not develop youngsters. He did not have the faith in them. And its his actions in this regard that left us with the necessity to recruit outside better, which we failed in.

Not at all - read what I say.

The issues around the arrogance of the players and the sloppy culture lies firmly at McDermott. The lack of quality coming through the academy also lies with him.

The lack of investment in the team we don't know who is at fault - could be GH offered to increase the quality of the squad and McDermott thought the squad was good enough to compete.

So are you saying the coach is irrelevant - as long as you have a strong squad they don't really add any value?

That, for me, is a very accurate appraisal. The flip side is that he also managed to squeeze far more than might reasonably have been expected from the players he stuck with during latter years of his tenure. Let's face it, had he not done so he'd have gone long ago.

I disagree. A team can almost always produce better. Look at Saints under Cunningham/Holbrook.

But Saints already had the basic fundamentals to work with, whilst we don’t, they then added Barba to the mix.

But it was others who had alleged that the problem was all the fault of coach BMcD and he had 'lost the dressing room'. Had this been the main reason then there would have been some immediate improvement after he was sacked. Resulting performances if anything have worsened so changing the coach mid season has shown that the main problems are with the players and the lack of recruitment which I argue is down to Hetherington and not BMcD.

Most seem to have forgotten too that for all of BM's time this year we have been unable to select a full strength squad with half the first team unavailable most weeks. Since BMcD has left we have had some of the long term injured back plus 2 short term signings yet still no improvement.

The likes of Sinfield, Maguire, Burrow, Galloway all needed replacements of similar quality. Myler has been a good signing but where are the other three. The squad was well under strength for Mac and is little better for Sinfield.

Perhaps it’s PC that has approved bringing Kevin back so he can learn from GH before he retires and become exactly what you say PC will want?

Seems like you are arguing with me, but we actually have a similar view that Kevin isn’t CEO material today? Only difference I see in our positions is that I’m more confident than you that he can get to the required standard.

Not so. I am critical of BMcD for accepting the lack of major class recruitment from GH. I am also critical of his judgement (and yours) that Sutcliffe should be the replacement for Sinfield when it was obvious (at least to me) at the time that he was not good enough.

As someone who has been calling for BMcD to be sacked since 2011/12 you have had to eat seconds, thirds and fourths of humble pie as he broke all records for a Leeds (and SL) coach. So no surprise that you still don't like anyone sticking up for him.

I am sure PC approved KS's appointment but I think it was an attempt to motivate the players to stay out of the middle eights and get to Wembley again. I would not be surprised to see GH replaced with a new man quite soon.