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Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "Every other country in the world (in all sports) picks the best available eligible team, regardless of place of birth. Maybe nobody has told Wayne Bennett some backward thinking flat earth brigade find it unacceptable for England rugby league to do the same.'"


And on the highlights reel before the game, showing the superstars in action, they can show the Morris twins scoring for Australia. Perhaps even against England. And then the whole country can watch the two Morris boys dip their heads when they play the national anthem, because they won't want to sing it.

Interesting that you refer to the flat earth brigade when your stance is "England at all costs". Perhaps give the colonial twins a burst of Rule Britannia while you're at it. They'll love that.

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Surely now Hardaker is nailed on for GB fullback?

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Quote: DHM "Surely now Hardaker is nailed on for GB fullback?'"

Why?

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Unless you believe he'll be replacing Matt Moylan as Penrith fullback
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So many RL people fuss about developing players, and the impact having a couple of ring-ins might have. How about the impact that actually beating Australia when it counts for the first time in 40 years? That's worth more than the development of any player IMO.

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "So many RL people fuss about developing players, and the impact having a couple of ring-ins might have. How about the impact that actually beating Australia when it counts for the first time in 40 years? That's worth more than the development of any player IMO.'"


Your totally missing the point, how can we possibly beat Aus if we pick players that are only playing for us because they are not good enough for the roos?

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Quote: leedsnsouths "Your totally missing the point, how can we possibly beat Aus if we pick players that are only playing for us because they are not good enough for the roos?'"



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Who except the most hysterical is suggesting that Bennett will fill an England team full of Kanagaroos rejects? Where is the evidence of even one? Just as a hypothetical, if Bennett did pick the Morris twins, do you think England would be stronger or weaker this year? Please feel free to name the "English" outside backs that are better than them.

All that's been suggested is that Bennett might be looking at English-qualified NRL players. Just as McNamara did before him, although Bennett is likely to hold more sway than his predecessor.

Its interesting to read Brett Morris saying he hadn't spoken to Bennett about it, so its all just another media beat up ATM.

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Who except the most hysterical is suggesting that Bennett will fill an England team full of Kanagaroos rejects? Where is the evidence of even one? Just as a hypothetical, if Bennett did pick the Morris twins, do you think England would be stronger or weaker this year? Please feel free to name the "English" outside backs that are better than them.

All that's been suggested is that Bennett might be looking at English-qualified NRL players. Just as McNamara did before him, although Bennett is likely to hold more sway than his predecessor.

Its interesting to read Brett Morris saying he hadn't spoken to Bennett about it, so its all just another media beat up ATM.'"


So we will just lose by less - if they aren't good enough for Australia I don't see the point. We should be trying to develop a side for the future not a short term fix so we don't get embarrassed.

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Quote: Sal Paradise " If they aren't good enough for Australia I don't see the point. '"


The point is are they better than England can currently field in that position, and by improving that position do England improve their chances of winning?

If you look at the Morris twins and genuinely say no in both cases then I would suggest you're allowing your judgement to be clouded.

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Sal, without a completely unlikely massive upswing in quality in SL, the only way England will ever beat Australia is with as many NRL players as possible. We've been trying to develop home grown players for ever, and yet we often struggle to find a quality 1-5 (right now we're one or two injuries away from players who wouldn't get a regular NRL start never mind being stars) and haven't had a pair of quality halfbacks since Schofield was playing. I can't see one English halfback in SL that would be a regular in the NRL.

The aim has to be to compete and win. But I'm fed up of England being gallant losers (or just losers full stop). I want the England coach to be cuththroat and completely single minded about getting wins. So long as what he does is within the laws of the game I'm all for it. TBH I don't think we can win with Bennett or anyone else as we simply don't have enough quality players. But I hope he proves me wrong.

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Sal, without a completely unlikely massive upswing in quality in SL, the only way England will ever beat Australia is with as many NRL players as possible. We've been trying to develop home grown players for ever, and yet we often struggle to find a quality 1-5 (right now we're one or two injuries away from players who wouldn't get a regular NRL start never mind being stars) and haven't had a pair of quality halfbacks since Schofield was playing. I can't see one English halfback in SL that would be a regular in the NRL.

The aim has to be to compete and win. But I'm fed up of England being gallant losers (or just losers full stop). I want the England coach to be cuththroat and completely single minded about getting wins. So long as what he does is within the laws of the game I'm all for it. TBH I don't think we can win with Bennett or anyone else as we simply don't have enough quality players. But I hope he proves me wrong.'"


Gale would go well in the NRL, unfortunately for him no NRL team would look to SL for a halfback

The last england team to beat the aussies was 2006 believe?
No Aussies in the side and only one NRL player
There are good players in SL they just have to have the belief that they can win, a belief that will be eradicated if we play ausies in the side who are only playing because the roos wouldn't have them

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Quote: leedsnsouths "There are good players in SL they just have to have the belief that they can win '"


You may as well say homeopathy cures cancer, you just have to believe hard enough.

There are good players in SL, but for every good player in SL there are two or three better in the NRL. Name me one player in SL who is the best player in the world in their respective position.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "You may as well say homeopathy cures cancer, you just have to believe hard enough.

There are good players in SL, but for every good player in SL there are two or three better in the NRL. Name me one player in SL who is the best player in the world in their respective position.'"


I reckon there are a few second rowers I would have over anyone else, I can't think of better second rower edge runner as ben currie atm, I also think Bateman and ward are top class and better than proctor and possibly matt gillett, they were also all better than whitehead last year imo and he is arguably the form second rower in the NRL

If Semi Radradra goes to French Union then I also believe that Migilvery or Manfriedi will be the best wingers, as I can't think of anyone in the NRL atm with that mixture of power and pace and finishing that they have and hopefully that Hall will get back

Also O'Lochlin is the best ball playing 13 but the only real competition there is Greg Bird as most NRL teams basically play an extra prop at loose forward

James Graham is a great example of a player who was best in the world at prop (or arguably second best to peacock) but was only named in world teams of the year in his first year down under, because too many people slate SL

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You're spouting nonsense about Gillett. He's vastly superior to the SL players mentioned, especially in the work he does off the ball. That's the one area where our second rows are way behind their NRL counterparts. James Graham, Sam Burgess et al would openly admit that they are far better players now than when they joined the NRL.

TBH I think you - along with many - are waaay too bullish about how good SL players are. We've regularly been told how great our pack supposedly is, only to see it smashed off the park by Australia when it matters. And the reality is that our halfbacks are so far behind Australia's that its almost funny.

The problem is we only tend to see the gulf in class when we play Australia, but I'd argue the WCC results in the last two years (with the Roosters smashing teams with halfbacks now both deemed inadequate for the NRL) are really indicative of how far SL has slipped.

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