What you should be giving RESPECT to at all times is the opposition. It takes two teams to make a game.

Glory Seeking Arrogant Myopic Fans should go watch Wigan IMHO

You dont buy a season ticket to demand victory every time. You pay to watch a game which always consists of 2 teams. HTH.

Well said.

Well Said.

I am begining to think that next season we should play in Cherry and White

This is very true - you don't pay expecting to win every week. I'd say what you do pay for is to see 2 teams giving 100% - whether they win or lose is a secondary requirement. I'd suspect right now there will be a higher proportion of satisfied Bradford and London fans than Leeds fans. Why? Because their effort over the last few weeks (London's, commendably in many of the games all season long, despite being trounced usually) has been 100%.

If Leeds' team was as bad as London's but we gave 100% each week and I could see we were, I wouldn't go as mental as I have over our last 2 losses. I have gone mental because in most games since May I have not felt that the performance has been 100% - Saints and Warrington aside in the two CC games.

I don't turn up 'expecting to win' and complain when we don't, I turn up expecting committed performances and complain when I don't see them. I have watched the U19's a couple of times recently and many of them weren't brilliant (as highlighted by those who went yesterday) but I have overall been more impressed as to me it has seemed that they have given more effort than several of the first team have for the last 3 months.

Its embarrassing as hell losing to London. It also was embarrassing losing to Bradford, but on the following Saturday did I give two $h!ts? Nope, and that is all that is in my mind at the moment.

As for the LLS, yea I wanted to win it. But lets face it we laughed at the Huddersfield fans claiming a 'big scalp' last year, no one remembers the LLS. And we still have it in our own hands to finish in the top 4. Saints may even lose all their remaining games too.

I would love to see your senior players collecting a winners medal at Wembley. They have provided some great entertainment over the years and lifted the Leeds club to a whole new level in my opinion. I could never bring myself to change clubs, but you have no idea how lucky you are to follow a club that may disappoint on the odd occasion but in general perform to a level that gets results.
Not only will the players have to be on form, but your support should be 100% and loud. Good luck .

So some of you think it is acceptable to lose to the bottom two in successive games , fair enough then but thats not everybodys opinion and certainly not mine , but as i have said all along Mac will be judged on what trophies he wins what is for certain he has made getting to the grand final alot harder than it could have been

How is it a lot harder? You still have to beat the top dogs.

A couple of weeks ago on this forum I was spitting feathers at McDermott, my opinion on him hasn't changed, but I agree on his team selection against London.

As said it after the Bradford defeat and I'll say it again:

Leeds don't play with structure, we've had many people from our own camp saying this, the latest was McGuire in his YEP column last week. We're not like other clubs where its coached from the bottom and is installed in the first team. What we do have in the senior side is a team full of stars that play off the cuff rugby - because the talent is that good we can play like that. That is all well and good when we have a fully fit 17, but as soon as those stars start dropping out of the team, then what happens? You've not got the talent for off the cuff and you've no structure running through the club. You're snookered. Its bonkers. But that off the cuff rugby has won us titles.

It's all about the season as a whole, and winning trophies - who will care about those games if we win on Saturday?

And as for making it harder to get to the Grand Final - the team are still very much in the race for second. There's no difference between finishing first or second in this play-off system. Except the 'hubcap', and possible ClubCall, which ends up being more of a hindrance to the teams that have it, rather than a help.

Plenty on here still run McDermott down even with the trophies he's coached the team to - that won't change even if we do the double. It will still be 'the players did it despite him' line from certain posters.

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i never said there was a difference between first or second all i said was he has made it harder to get to the Grand Final as he has we now will have to win the last 3 games instead of 2 out of 3 otherwise an away tie at Wigan or Warrington in all probability instead of a home tie to get to old trafford . I also said he would be judged on trophies won at the end of the day