Well said.

Well Said.

I am begining to think that next season we should play in Cherry and White

Its embarrassing as hell losing to London. It also was embarrassing losing to Bradford, but on the following Saturday did I give two $h!ts? Nope, and that is all that is in my mind at the moment.

As for the LLS, yea I wanted to win it. But lets face it we laughed at the Huddersfield fans claiming a 'big scalp' last year, no one remembers the LLS. And we still have it in our own hands to finish in the top 4. Saints may even lose all their remaining games too.

I would love to see your senior players collecting a winners medal at Wembley. They have provided some great entertainment over the years and lifted the Leeds club to a whole new level in my opinion. I could never bring myself to change clubs, but you have no idea how lucky you are to follow a club that may disappoint on the odd occasion but in general perform to a level that gets results.
Not only will the players have to be on form, but your support should be 100% and loud. Good luck .

So some of you think it is acceptable to lose to the bottom two in successive games , fair enough then but thats not everybodys opinion and certainly not mine , but as i have said all along Mac will be judged on what trophies he wins what is for certain he has made getting to the grand final alot harder than it could have been

How is it a lot harder? You still have to beat the top dogs.

A couple of weeks ago on this forum I was spitting feathers at McDermott, my opinion on him hasn't changed, but I agree on his team selection against London.

As said it after the Bradford defeat and I'll say it again:

Leeds don't play with structure, we've had many people from our own camp saying this, the latest was McGuire in his YEP column last week. We're not like other clubs where its coached from the bottom and is installed in the first team. What we do have in the senior side is a team full of stars that play off the cuff rugby - because the talent is that good we can play like that. That is all well and good when we have a fully fit 17, but as soon as those stars start dropping out of the team, then what happens? You've not got the talent for off the cuff and you've no structure running through the club. You're snookered. Its bonkers. But that off the cuff rugby has won us titles.

It's all about the season as a whole, and winning trophies - who will care about those games if we win on Saturday?

And as for making it harder to get to the Grand Final - the team are still very much in the race for second. There's no difference between finishing first or second in this play-off system. Except the 'hubcap', and possible ClubCall, which ends up being more of a hindrance to the teams that have it, rather than a help.

Plenty on here still run McDermott down even with the trophies he's coached the team to - that won't change even if we do the double. It will still be 'the players did it despite him' line from certain posters.

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i never said there was a difference between first or second all i said was he has made it harder to get to the Grand Final as he has we now will have to win the last 3 games instead of 2 out of 3 otherwise an away tie at Wigan or Warrington in all probability instead of a home tie to get to old trafford . I also said he would be judged on trophies won at the end of the day

There are some big assumption being made by many posters. One of these assumptions is that it will be easier with home advantage. For this to be true you have to also assume that we hit better form than the opposition on the day. A home tie is obviously better for the supporters but also increases the pressure on the players to meet the expectations.

I do not subscribe to the view that all is lost if we don't make the top two. This year there are several teams who can win it some of those will be outside the top four. Once the playoffs start it is knock out rugby and the winners will be those teams that get it right on the day no matter which ground it is on. This requires performance and mental toughness.

We have a very strong record over many years in knock out rugby and I believe this can overcome a loss of home ground advantage. Sadly the playoff games are played to smaller crowds so some of this so called home advantage is dissipated. We usually take a vocal and passionate set of travelling fans who could make an away game almost as good as a home game. In fact often the players say this support gives them the lift they need when playing away from Headingley.

That is not to say we shouldn't now go all out to win our last games as I am sure we will.

What else can you do but accept the results? Gain vengeance by throwing bricks through McDermott's house windows? Slash all the players tyres?

And when I say "accept" that doesn't actually mean I'm happy or content we lost those two games but I'm also one of those who manages to realise that getting my knickers into a twist and foaming at the mouth about them losses doesn't actually make those who do "realists". Those games are gone and we can't change them, we can review them and try to learn from them but constant looking back in anger won't alter the result. If I get as angry and vexed as some others will that make me a realist? I'd rather remain calm thanks.

Already I get the feeling that if we do fail in the playoffs some on here will be looking back saying "that's because we didn't beat Bradford and London"......no, if we lose in the playoffs it because we weren't better than whichever team knocked us out. Some will say home advantage is crucial, it could be, but I've seen home teams lose plenty in the playoffs over the last few years

The last 3 LLS winners haven't even reached the GF let alone win so whilst "easier" on paper, reality is any finishing spot could make us or break us, it's about how the 17 play on that particular playoff day....not how the 17 vs London blew that match.

I sometimes wonder on here how many posters have gone to games regularly over the years


Only wondering by the way , not saying you should not post