He isn't as good as Tate, Boyd, Morris, Uate or Yowheh.


Hall must therefore be less so then.


I wasn't aware Vatuvei was a standout winger in the NRL. He's a big unit who is entertaining and can show flashes of brilliance on his day but his game is prone to way too many errors. He has a real problem with ball control. Looks the flat-track bully part against inferior opposition which might explain his 4-try performance in the 2008 World Cup against England when he destroyed and embarrassed the Harry Sunderland Trophy winner from the SL Grand Final played less than two months earlier.


I'm pretty sure that [iFijian ringer[/i as you refer to him moved to Australia as a young teenager, was introduced to and played all his rugby league in Australia and was developed and nurtured via their junior/youth systems. This might explain his appearances for the Australian Schoolboys before turning professional.


Probably not but he's far more effective in plenty of other areas.


No, really.


Luke Lewis is way better than any player England has at their disposal. Tamou and Gillett are yet to establish themselves IMO. Smith is way ahead of any player at hooker. Roby would struggle to make all those scoot scoot metres from dummy half in the NRL like he does with such ease in SL.


We agree on something finally
I take it you dont watch much NRL if you are comparing these players like for like.James Graham has been a revelation for the Bulldogs.Some of his stats week to week have been up there with the best and his offload style has brought a new dimension to the way the Bulldogs play.If you want to see how well he is thought of by their fans check out the dedicated James Graham thread on the bulldogs forum.Quotes in there like 'best import since Ellery Hanley' and 'best Recruit of the season in the NRL bar none'.Tolman couldnt lace his boots quality wise.

Ellis has been injured most of season and it has hurt Wests who are only just scraping into playoffs.3 player of the year awards says it all though.

I dont rate Heighington and agree he is just a solid pro.No better than several of what we have in Super League and dont believe he was good enough for England.

He is,

He musnt
Mark Calderwood won the 2008 Harry Sunderland trophy?
You mean the fijian born, fijian raised, fijian international who would admit he moved to Australia at 15 to play Rugby and take advantage of those australian systems. seems just a longer way of describing a ringer to be honest.
Not really.
Yes, really.

Tamou and Gillet are internationals, they are by any reasonable definition world class, we have better players than them, ergo we have world class players. And Roby doesnt make those 'easy scoot scoot' metres much now we have given up on trying to teach quality defence and teams like Wigan can throw an extra man into a tackle which is already completed then lay on for a day and a half.

Please can I point out (before anyone else contributes) that Jeff, AP, Keith, William or whatever you want to call him has seen more NRL and attended more NRL games and England, GB games in Aus than any one else on this board (so there) and his knowledge is beyond all doubt.

Smokey, the reason that Jeff, AP, Keith, William may have been confused about Lee Smith/Mark Calderwood/Manu Vatuvei in the game in question is because he was in all probability studying cloud formations.