Really? I thought most people had highlighted his particular individual contributions to that spell of success....

Actually, Diskin probably would be at 9 in my all time dream team, but then I don't go back as far as some. Lowes was a better player, but sadly (for us) had his best years elsewhere. I put Diskin ahead of Maskill, Shaw, Gunn, Jackson on my list.

If you keep in mind what the "prize" is for being selected in this dream team, that's a "permanent display commemorating their greatest ever side" it would be an absolute travesty if Sinfield is not included in that display. End of story.

I suspect you're not remembering correctly and I am. It's on that Scrumdown "7 of the best" video.

However, we are both old farts so who knows.

I wouldn't be citing the Lance Todd trophy to justify the selection of a skipper who has guided the team to 4 Challenge Cup Final losses out of 4. Leroy Rivett won it in 1999 but at least it was accompanied with a winners medal. Having said that, I'd want Sinfield included in a greatest Leeds XIII team simply on the basis of his overall impact, influence and guidance of the team in 4 out of 5 Grand Finals... but not at the expense of a world class player like Ellery Hanley who was worth the admission price alone to watch in action.

Oh for the days of a number 9 (or in Diskin's case, a number 14 in 2009) who certainly left his mark on the club by reneging on a contract extension as soon as he'd cashed in on his testimonial wonga.

Who indeed?

If only there was an old fart on here with half his memories still intact and a scrapbook collection (with full match records) to fill in the bits temporarily mis-placed back in the late 70's, 80's and early 90's.

What an invaluable contributor he/she could prove to be at trying times such as these.

Except earlier in the thread I wrote:

I'm still leaning towards Sinfield for among other reasons:

12-15 years service when he finishes
8 plus years as an inspirational leader on and off the field
A chance he'll become the clubs leading points scorer of all time
Consistent high levels of performance that earned international honours and on a short list for world player of the year
Inspirational finals perfomances which earned mom honours

Etc etc etc

Not sure how many of those other players you listed fit that criteria?

Indeed. However, that contributor should first check his scrap books about the timing of ETs second Leeds stint before diving in to give a definitive opinion in support of my post.

I'd hate to be proven right, which of course I am, by a questionable source.

Questionable source with regards the timing of Andrew Ettingshausen's Test career, in relation to his Leeds career from memory ..... probably.

Questionable source on who faced Dave Heron at stand-off on the 19th November 1989, from match reports and contempory records kept at the time ..... I would hope not.

I would hope not either especially as I full expect you to prove me right and put old Batley out of his misery any time soon.

There was an interesting line in Trevor Watson's YEP match report: "Dave Heron maintained the excellent form he has shown since his switch to number 6, although he spent most of the game in the back-row."

And on the face of it that comment will have been basically true with Dave Heron needing to revert to the back row after first Hugh Waddell was assaulted by Paul Moriarty's elbow and the worrying as hell incident involving Roy Powell swallowing his tongue and the panic that followed as he lay on the ground while receiving medical attention. Leeds had been forced into using their only two interchanges by the 28th minute with Gary Lord replacing Waddell on 14 mins and Paul Delaney replacing the unfortunate Powell.

Either way it didn't prevent the Leeds starting stand-off having a wow of a game, scoring two tries himself and setting another up for the supporting Schofield after Coleman had sent Heron into the clear.

Leeds:
Warren Wilson
Phil Ford, Garry Schofield, Carl Gibson, Vince Fawcett
David Heron, Craig Coleman
Hugh Waddell, Colin Maskill, Paul Dixon
Roy Powell, Craig Izzard, Gary Divorty
Subs:
Paul Delaney, Gary Lord

Widnes:
Alan Tait
Brimah Kebbie, Andy Currier, John Devereux, Martin Offiah
Jonathan Davies, David Hulme
Joe Grima, Phil McKenzie, Mike O'Neill
Paul Moriarty, David Smith, Paul Hulme
Subs:
David Marsh, Jason Critchley

If anyone knows of a more incident packed pro/semi-pro game I'd like to hear about it.

After his first few games at 6 I heard Heron quoted as saying he'd wasted all his career at 13.
Brad Fittler initially was known (apart from being fat) as a 13 and switched to 6 to become a legend - if only. We simply wouldn't have a 6 in the British game now who could compare to Heron. A lot of the qualities of the younger Iestyn, except with much more pace. And I still have him on tape head butting Andy Gregory (and getting away with it ).

Tough choice between Sinfield, Hanley and Heron for me...but ya knowI would probably go for Dave. Maybe it's just nostalgia, but I cannot remember being more excited about watching the talents of any other player... apart from John Holmes.

It is a legendary match. Recent supporters from the Super League Era would be sickened by it.

It's how Rugby League should be played.

Not many with the spuds to take on Joe Grima like Izzard did.

Dave Heron's misfortune was to be given his test debut at Hull in the opening game of the 1982 series against THE greatest team of all-time. He played in the 2nd Test at Wigan when GB couldn't even score a try against a 12-man Aussie team that had Les Boyd sent-off...and that was the premature end of his test career.

A terrible, terrible waste when you look at some of those who followed in his wake - the likes of Oldham's Terry Flanagan, David Hall (HKR), the recalled Mick Adams, Harry Pinner and Mick Potter. They were all steady club footballers but had none of the pace an flair of Heron.