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982.jpg [quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj]
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| Quote: Puig-Aubert "
On the earlier subject of 'runners' though, have I missed the point? I'd assumed you were referring to dummy runners or forwards taking a drive and couldn't work out why David was seeing McGuire & Burrow in that role.
I don't see creator and supporter as mutually exclusive either.'" Indeed.
Watch Saints at their best. The half back will receive the ball and there will be several options and a number of runners (both dummy and support) to create space and options for the half back.
Poor McGuire, Burrow and Sinfield rarely have such a luxury at Leeds.
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| Quote: Serge A. Storms "But you cannot do both at the same time - if McGuire is now spending more time creating he has less time to support.'"
A good supporter will routinely follow the forwards in the hope of an offload - I'd agree that that would probably take you out of the next play (at least as first receiver) but that doesn't happen on every play and a halfback that puts a player through a hole can then be on his shoulder to finish the break.
McGuire's general transition to creator from supporter (or to put it another way a more rounded player) started long before Mclennan - and rightly so.
He may not score as many tries as he used to but that's probably down to a slight loss of pace and a number of other support options in the side.
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| Quote: Puig-Aubert "A good supporter will routinely follow the forwards in the hope of an offload - I'd agree that that would probably take you out of the next play (at least as first receiver) but that doesn't happen on every play and a halfback that puts a player through a hole can then be on his shoulder to finish the break.
McGuire's general transition to creator from supporter (or to put it another way a more rounded player) started long before Mclennan - and rightly so.
He may not score as many tries as he used to but that's probably down to a slight loss of pace and a number of other support options in the side.'"
Indeed,when webb is scoring or even burrow more often than not mcguire is next man in line.
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| Quote: Serge A. Storms "But you cannot do both at the same time - if McGuire is now spending more time creating he has less time to support.'"
Total cr@p.
If he is giving others more opportunitioes, rather than running himslef, then he will be able to support when someone else makes the break. He can't support when he makes a break now can he?
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982.jpg [quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj]
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| I think that under Tony Smith there is no way McGuire would have been the slouch he was last Friday when Buderus put him clear through.
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| Quote: G1 "I think that under Tony Smith there is no way McGuire would have been the slouch he was last Friday when Buderus put him clear through.'"
Nothing to do with coaches, more his injuries and bulking up.
He still should have scored though
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| Quote: G1 "I think that under Tony Smith there is no way McGuire would have been the slouch he was last Friday when Buderus put him clear through.'"
He was faster then because he hadn't suffered as many injuries plus roberts is no slouch either!
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| Quote: leicester_rhino "He still should have scored though'"
Why?
McGuire went for it but didn't have the legs. He got run down by a faster player.
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| Quote: tvoc "Why?
McGuire went for it but didn't have the legs. He got run down by a faster player.'"
I don't think he looked confident he was going to make it, and his line was very indirect, whenI think he should have pinned his ears back.
Its a shame to see McGuire lacking the pace we used to see. It used to be the case that when he was beyond the line it was a try
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| Quote: leicester_rhino "I don't think he looked confident he was going to make it, and his line was very indirect, whenI think he should have pinned his ears back.'"
You see all that but you wouldn't notice an attacker stood in the defensive line.
Cheeky.
I had replays, and Sky+ to help out
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| Quote: G1 "You think the CC final was a bigger game than the GF? They played both with 17 men. In the CC final (as with many games) a player got injured.
I would say a CC final is a bigger than a regular season SL game - which is what we are comparing here - is it not?
In every game players will carry knocks. In most games no player will be 100% free. If a player is crucial and a game breaker the coach is likely to take more risks. Like Mclennan did on Friday with Sinfield who was, by all accounts, badly missed from the week before.
There is a difference between carrying a knock and completely incapable of playing any kind of role in a game. One of Senior's strengths was his speed - this was completely negated by his injury - the fact he was selected was a massive error on Smith's part - anyone who watched the warm up at Cardiff could see he couldn't run
That is very different and not comparable with choosing to play a game with 16 men.
See above - Smith effectively reduced Leeds to 16 men with his team selection
I take it that is an error and you meant to type "decided not to play him"?
An error on McClennan's part definitely in my view but not quite the error Smith made in 2005
Nonsense. The team had as much a chance (if not more) of winning the CC final in 2005 as they do winning this year's GF considering they were already in that years CC Final and haven't yet qualified for this year's GF. That we almost did (and perhaps should have) won in 2005 means that your assertion that the team "had nowhere to go" because of Senior's selection is, frankly, silly and you should let it go.
Leeds should have destroyed Hull that day they were by far the stronger side that fact they conspired to lose has to be in some way apportioned to Smith's team selection. The CC is a knock out comp every game is sudden death - lose and you are out - SL is not quite the same is it Gareth lose a game and you can recover - Leeds got hammered at Saints in the PO semi at KR in 2008 - two weeks later they had the opportunity to turn the tables
Where do we disagree? I have told you several times I desperately hope McLenann eclipses Smith's achievements at Leeds. Why would I not want him to do that? Bizarre.
We must once again agree to differ - I have said this numerous times you are in a catch 22 - McClennan eclipses Smith you have to back down - something you found very difficult after the 2008 GF - evidence suggests that would be a tough position for you to be in
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