We are dumb and rubbish, but saints get away with murder in the ruck.

I'd normally agree, but if it's happening every week and shows no sign of improving, then it's fair to question why, it can't just be dismissed as bad luck.

We don't.
You get one half of average to ok.
One half of diabolical to are you fecking kidding

I love that there's one or two remaining optimists but it comes a point where they must just be covering their eyes and putting fingers in their ears. This season is not turning around

I know that the main frustration is aimed at Smith.
But 90% of these players are simply not good enough at this level.
They are mid table players.
Handley and Croft aside, would you really care if any of the squad were not at Leeds??

Wonder what level Roberts drops to when he leaves us, I'd go with Tesco tills.

No inside chase for the Blake break, how slow is Percival though…

Inevitable try.

I know we get accused of rose tinted spectacles for him. But Oledski has ran his blood to water and has done for most weeks. I wouldn’t call him a mid table player but he needs help. I’d put O’Connor in the same bracket.

No one genuinely believes in this Smith nonsense anymore do they? It's done, it should have been finished at the end of last season.

Even the fans that don't want him sacked don't believe in him, they just don't like the idea of sacking a coach.

Still time for Ryan to do a U turn and do his farewell lap of Rugby League in Oz if he watches this...!

Correct , i will add Martin to those two , unfortunately Smith has chosen most of the players and is incapable of improving any .

Saints would had 60 tonight if they got out of 3rd gear

He's got bags of effort, but honestly I'd take any of Wigan or Saints props over him.

Everyone knows im generally positive but i am livid with everyone involved tonight the coach but more importantly the players they have been embarrassing

...... And there's the 40!!!!!