So in two years we will be looking for a FB - both Myler/Hardaker are in decline yet we take a short term view on a very talented player. What does it say that we would prefer a serial offender to a high quality home grown player?

It says that at this point in time he is 3rd choice in that position.

Don't forget he is only on Loan and may well come back - Jack has had an absolute nightmare with injuries and you can bet your bottom dollar if we let Hardaker go to keep Jack and he gets another injury this board would be saying why have we kept him.

Also its not just about us, Jack wants to be playing he's not going to stay around being back up for two years or even for the rest of this year, and unfortunately for Jack Hardaker and Myler right now are playing better than him

How can you tell - he has only played one game and that game he looked a lot better than anything Hardaker has shown since his return. Are we turning into Warrington - in the past we have always backed our younger players and that proved very successful why has the policy changed?

Hardaker has been pretty good.

We have also let a lot of young players go, even Jack himself forced Golding out of his position and had to move on.

Jack has looked ok in the few games he’s played this year but then was injured, again.

Turning into Warrington? Just look at the young players we do have in the squad, we’re hardly shunning home grown players in a big way.

Hull only have until next week to trigger the option of signing him thst might not happen and he is still a Leeds player. The big question for Jack is can he stay fit for any length of time, he simply hasn’t managed that in 3 or more years for us. I hope for his sake he can.

JJB had a similar injury record but we didn't palm him off and that turned out OK. We might well have young players in the squad but the likes of Thompson, Donaldson, Dwyer, Hardaker etc are getting picked now most weeks. How many young players are actually getting picked especially in the backs? Newman is suspended so we play Martin in the centre - hardly giving a young player a chance?

What salary was JJB on when he was injured? I bet not the same as Jack. and How many games had he played in his first 5 years?

I think you clearly have an issue with the Hardaker signing - which is fine that's your opinion but Id say Hardaker is the better player and again Jack is on Loan it's not made permanent just yet so he may well be back with us at some point.

I don't particularly want Jack to leave as I think he has massive potential but the fact is he has been in the first team squad for 5 years and has only played 80 games.

I listened to a podcast a few weeks ago with Craig Harrison and
Some other herberts who could talk a glass eye to sleep.
Harrison was talking in generic terms about A coach who has players on big
Contracts that he can’t shift but is determined to make changes and therefore looks at moving on other players he values more highly.

You didn’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to guess who he might be talking about.

For next year, we will have lost Mellor, broadbent, and Bodene.
I’d also expect Briscoe and Dwyer to go. IF we also lost Walker and Sutcliffe with likely Zak and Sangerre coming in then we should still have a fair bit of cap to play with.

Don’t think Jack will be getting MOM tonight, what on earth is going on at Hull?

Lots of injuries. Lack of form, lack of confidence. Sound familiar?

Content with continually picking up players that are not good enough for Leeds!
What do you expect?
Sutty will tighten things up for them....

Yes but difference is we haven’t been leaking that amount of points like Hull have, thats two 50 + point drubbings in 2 weeks

To be fair to them they’ve got 12 missing. Last week with 5 on debut they jagged a derby win. They will have been drained emotionally and Wigan’s pace in the back 3 is exceptional.
Plus some of Fc’s
Older players are not very good anymore. There are similarities with us but think we are better placed for next year at the moment.
Still ahead of us in the table in 5th which emphasises how many average to poor teams are in SL

We have to play Wigan next week. Already feeling queasy.

Me too. You can’t play any of the top 3 with 1 prop, no halves and plenty of other injuries and issues