Most of them have looked awful under 3 different coaches. Its pretty clear the players are the vast majority of the problem.

The players and the coaching has been a problem along with recruitment . The show me the money agent stated he would send his clients to Cas because Powell would improve the player where as Mac would not . Hence Joe average players are seen to become better there than they have at the Rhinos . Whether or not Furner can improve anyone is yet to be seen .

Agreed - however bad the coaching might be (and I don’t necessarily think it is or was so bad), the experienced players have no excuses for the lazy performances of the last few seasons. They need a long hard look in the mirror (and some P45s).

A model of how to recruit the correct way is Warrington. You have a basic squad of good players (both recruited and academy) and are constantly adding QUALITY players to the roster.

A great example in contrast with the Wolves and Rhinos is the closed season recruitment of a half back. We sign Tuimoala Lolohea and they sign Blake Austin. Or in other words, a gamble versus proven quality.

Danny Buderus was an example of us getting it right,

Warrington have won nothing in ages for all their "excellent" recruitment

Neither have Cas under Powell. Leeds have to find their own way (again). There are still people around the squad who know what it takes to win the big games - but we need to build a decent squad first.

Probably the worst thing that happened to this team in the last 5 years was winning the 2017 GF. Yes, it was great at the time, but it was also just about one of the poorest grand finals ever, and seriously papered over the deficiencies of our team, especially with McGuire leaving - the main reason we won the GF in the first place.

100% correct

Just been on another site and a regular poster on there says rumour in Wigan is Wane to Leeds . I cant see it myself personally

The worst thing to happen to this team in the last 5 years was winning a Grand Final?

Hahahaha. That is absolutely astounding.

Can't see them getting shot of Furner unless he wants to go and rightly so. It's a big job turning this mess around and as bad as it's been so far he deserves a fairer crack than half a dozen games, let him weed out the garbage and the last of the golden generation and bring in his own players I also don't think Wane would be a good fit for us. The style of play, bleeds red and white. Respect him as a coach but No thanks

I believe he means it in the context of it sucking the club into the thinking all was well at that point when it clearly wasn't and it has set us back a few more seasons for it. Yes of course winning the GF was great and how we did it but it was more down to the cards falling perfectly.bit like Saints 2014

Absolutely no one is surprised we've had to rebuild our squad. No one.

Fairly certain even when we won it in 17' folk knew we were losing legendary players and we're more than likely to not be challenging for a couple of years.

We let Mags go too early for me. We needed his leadership and kicking game to see us through this transition period.

Would take Wane or Shaun Edwards today - both know how to win and they are ruthless - that`s what we need. It might not be pretty at times , but at the moment , we cannot afford pretty - we need results.

Flanagan is available and the best coach out there available no question. You wouldn't look at Wane and Edwards over him.