doesnt seem much in it to be honest, didnt think there was that much in the Carney one really either. But zero tolerance isnt a difficult concept, even a rugby player should be able to understand it.

Looks a clear push to me

Think it's more a case of putting your hand out as you would do if you're about to run into someone.

Really isn't comparable to the likes of Carney or Baitieri.

It's astonishing how certain folk last week were so quick to condemn Carney and the referee who failed to do his job properly.

Not so quick to condemn this week though, possessing neither the wherewithal nor time to pass judgement on one of their own players in a fixture involving their own team.

Unlike last week of course when quick condemnation rapidly followed when it involved a player from another club in a fixture which didn't even involve their own team.

The level of cognitive dissonance displayed by your somewhat narcissistic online persona this week on the subjects of...
1) Top 4 prediction
2) Players touching referees
3) Referees not doing their jobs properly
4) McDermott

... is there for all to see.

Dont think any of them were really worth a ban, Baitieri and Carney are just reacting to someone getting too close to them, Ablett and Kendall just crash into each other running back on the break, it might look like a push but again I think its a normal human reaction to that happening, especially in a contact sport game situation.


I get the no contact on the referee rule, I understand why its there, but I don't think a blanket punish everything approach makes sense. It needs to be applied with some common sense.

Mods......wouldn't it be nice if we can get through a thread lately without William/TVOC being obsessed with feeble attempts to point score against me.

Trump logic... point scoring... name calling... obsessed with me, me, me... oh, and Trump is also a narcissist who cannot bear his opinions being questioned or shown up for being inconsistent.

You do realise you've just described yourself don't you?

Anyway......Cas vs Leeds

So whats your projected 17 now Abblett is out guys??

FWIW - which is nothing, I don't think any of these ref incidents deserve a ban. If player deliberately tries to hurt or intimidate a ref then throw the book at them, however these are all bits of nonsense. Yes ablett makes contact but he is trying to get across to cover the Salford loose forward and the ref is in the way. The ref does not penalise him so clearly thought it was nothing.

Anyway , re Cas v Leeds, I travel with little hope or expectation. We are only 3 games in and our wafer thin squad depth is already getting exposed. They battled really hard to beat Salford but we appeared to end the game with some random, interchanging back row combination including 2 of Sutcliffe, Keinhorst and moon.

We have no athleticism in the back row. Whereas Cas have developed mcmeeken in recent years , we have been treading water with Walters and Achurch. Cas now also have Jesse SL.

JJB, Ablett and Delaney have all been great servants, however have always lacked height and now lack pace and increasingly injury prone. The fact that Baldwinson, Ormondroyd, mullalley and Walters are not reliable SL performers mean we end up overplaying other forwards and asking Keinhorst to play too much in 2nd row, he's not big enough. Big fan of him as a centre.

These next few weeks could see echoes of last season.

Not sure who spots players at Cas, however they seem to have a Laughtonesque eye for a player. Solomona, mcmeeken and minikin all Look great spots.

Leeds did nothing in the close season to strengthen. If things start to unravel GH and BM will deserve all criticism they get. The injuries excuse won't wash.

oh i'm sure some people will find plenty of excuses

Likewise if we do well like they did in 2015.

but they won't. they are a million miles off that level

Don't recall anybody sounding positive of our chances of success in 2015 after only the first 3 rounds after we scraped to a 4 point win over Hudds after blowing an 18-0 lead and trailing HKR by 14 points early in the second half.