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| Quote: Jamie101 "Is that because the FA fitness test was set up under an inherent assumption that all referees are / would be male? Therefore because of their physical differences and subsequent challenges female referees would find it harder naturally as the test was not taking them into consideration?
Look at the men's and women's records for different running distances - that the women's are slower is not because they are any less fit than men, it is just they perform differently / to a different capacity.'"
no. its a standard test that anyone who is relatively fit should pass.
my mate is Croatian and a lovely bloke but an awful referee. he didn't understand offside despite being close to football league level! yet he kept getting promoted way past his level. was it because he was Croatian? I don't know but plenty thought he did
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| Quote: Gotcha "And this is your problem, you have failed yet to come up with anything of foundation to warrant your constant blinkered accusations of bigotry.
What you fail to understand is that Child isn't incompetent because he is homo sexual. He is incompetent full stop, the worst, but yet it is ignored by the powers that be, despite it previously being dealt with on other refs. What are the reasons for that? Seems your only answer is what it definitely isn't despite knowing absolutely nothing to back that up.'"
Your homophobia isn't the suggestion that Child is incompetent because he is gay. Your homophobia is suggesting that Child is held to some lesser standard because he is gay and that he is afforded special and preferential treatment because his gay. It is your using his sexuality to demean his achievements. The foundation of that is you are unapologetically doing that.
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| Quote: Gotcha "Excuse me but it hasn't been suggested anywhere that he has only achieved because of his sexuality, and you very well know that. So stop trying to move your argument.
It has been suggested that he is constantly putting in poor performances over a period of time, and this is not being dealt with. A reason suggested for this us his sexuality. You on the other hand offer no reason, only accusations, and demands that this isn't the reason.'"
Yes, you both clearly and obviously have. You do it in this post. Child becoming and staying an SL referee is a product of his competence and is an achievement he owns. Like every other referee, not a product of his sexuality.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Your homophobia isn't the suggestion that Child is incompetent because he is gay. Your homophobia is suggesting that Child is held to some lesser standard because he is gay and that he is afforded special and preferential treatment because his gay. It is your using his sexuality to demean his achievements. The foundation of that is you are unapologetically doing that.'"
There you go again with your unwarranted accusations. Can you not give reasoned answers? No wonder people constantly take the mickey out of you on the VT with similar sort of posting from you.
The fact that I would be happy to see more Homosexuals reffing our game, so that this sort of thinking can not be a logical reasoning, does that now make me homosexual? The point is the person not producing should be handled like any other.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "You called me and Gotcha bigots and homophobic based on ONE single suggestion. Our suggestion comes from MANY years of Child failing to show he's good enough to take big SL games as agreed upon by MANY RL fans across the country. Their in lay the difference in the your "not knowing anything else about the person" hypocrisy rebuttal.'"
I'm curious.
What drove you to link his continued employment as a full-time match official with his sexuality, even tenuously?
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| Quote: Gotcha "There you go again with your unwarranted accusations. Can you not give reasoned answers? No wonder people constantly take the mickey out of you on the VT with similar sort of posting from you.
The fact that I would be happy to see more Homosexuals reffing our game, so that this sort of thinking can not be a logical reasoning, does that now make me homosexual? The point is the person not producing should be handled like any other.'"
Of course you are happy to see more homosexuals reffing our game, as long as they somehow prove to you that they aren't benefitting from preferential treatment because of their sexuality.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "I'm curious.
What drove you to link his continued employment as a full-time match official with his sexuality, even tenuously?'"
Why is his consistent (and this is what needs to be taken on board here) incompetence ignored by his employers, despite dealing with it with others?
Smokey TA has continually proven throughout this thread what would be thrown at the RFL if they broached this incompetency subject with Child.
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| The notion that the RFL would protect Child's position out of fear of the flak they'd receive were they to dismiss him is utterly ridiculous. Within the game, they get flak for everything they do, whether ill-conceived or not. In the wider world, I'd be surprised if the story would get even half a column inch in the nationals. I find the suggestion bizarre, to be honest.
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| Quote: Clearwing "The notion that the RFL would protect Child's position out of fear of the flak they'd receive were they to dismiss him is utterly ridiculous.'"
Yet two posters on here suggesting it has instantly seen them branded homophobic and bigots repeatedly without those people labelling them so being able to explain how Child gets gigs in big games when he's never ever looked good enough to referee them.....so not totally ridiculous.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Yet two posters on here suggesting it has instantly seen them branded homophobic and bigots repeatedly without those people labelling them so being able to explain how Child gets gigs in big games when he's never ever looked good enough to referee them.....so not totally ridiculous.'"
You do realise that this what you are explaining here is homophobia right? that to assume because you don't think he is good enough, and you don't know why he gets games, that he is somehow the recipient of beneficial and preferential treatment on the basis of his sexuality is a homophobic assumption right? You know that to assert in the absence of evidence disproving it, we should assume that Child has been judged to a lower standard and promoted above his competence as a sop to equality because of his sexuality is homophobic right?
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Yet two posters on here suggesting it has instantly seen them branded homophobic and bigots repeatedly without those people labelling them so being able to explain how Child gets gigs in big games when he's never ever looked good enough to referee them.....so not totally ridiculous.'"
And this is exactly it, Smokey TA has proven throughout this thread the very argument we are saying, and he can't even see it.
I would have more respect for someone to actually pipe up and defend Child, the poor bloke. But no one is doing that, everyone is accepting he isn't doing his job to standard.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "I'm curious.
What drove you to link his continued employment as a full-time match official with his sexuality, even tenuously?'"
Oh didn't you know, as Smokey pointed out I'm a big massive homophobe. If I see a gay couple on the street I run over and spit on and kick them. When a gay man moved in a few doors down I smashed all his car and house windows with bricks because I hate them so much.
No, really.
Oh and because their seems to be some confusion with a few posters. I haven't questioned his employment of said he shouldn't have a job, but I have questioned why they often throw big games (like Leeds vs Saints) at him when he's never put in performances that warrant getting such a high profile game live on Sky cameras. I mean for the love of god this thread was started by a Wakey fan who had sympathy for us in defeat (when does that ever happen) because he (and most SL fans) have always rated Child as ridicioulsy poor and not good enough.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "You do realise that this what you are explaining here is homophobia right? that to assume because you don't think he is good enough, and you don't know why he gets games, that he is somehow the recipient of beneficial and preferential treatment on the basis of his sexuality is a homophobic assumption right? You know that to assert in the absence of evidence disproving it, we should assume that Child has been judged to a lower standard and promoted above his competence as a sop to equality because of his sexuality is homophobic right?'"
No it doesn't make me homophobic, I just don't have my head in the clouds. Are you going to sit there and pretend that in today's world people aren't getting jobs/roles because they tick a certain box of equality rather than if they are the best person for the job.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "No it doesn't make me homophobic, I just don't have my head in the clouds. Are you going to sit there and pretend that in today's world people aren't getting jobs/roles because they tick a certain box of equality rather than if they are the best person for the job.'"
Yes, it does.
and no, I don't believe that other people who are different from you are being gifted things you are not.
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| ATEOD Child is a pi$$ poor Ref yet he continues to get regular SL games and within that very big fixtures ala friday night.
Now personally i don't see how or why questioning the RFL about his continual selection for such games makes those asking the question homophobic but the simple fact is the question needs asking full stop.
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