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Thought Hardaker, JP, Ablett and Keinhorst were the highlights. Keinhorst showed some real touches of quality in the second row.

In other games losing Cuthbertson would have been a blow, but Kylie gave a timely nostalgic performance.

Liam Watts continues to be a puzzle. Massive lad, sometimes runs like Kirke sometimes runs like Morley. Neat touches, clumsy tackles. All a bit odd.

Lee Radford's line on serpent tackle on McGuire - 'probably done by accident'. Haven't watched it back but from view to me showed intention to twist it round so will cop a rightful ban. didnt mind mcguire booting him off, what was he meant to do? Wouldn't have been overly bothered either if Ablett had followed through with that closed fist either. If Serpent wanted to hold mcguire down he could have clamped down to have that effect. -house for me.

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In a small way "justice" was meted out to Hull in that, with Sneyd off the pitch, they were unable to convert their last try.
Had he still been on he would probably have converted it making the score 26-22, making the last 5 minutes more nervy than they were.
I wonder if McGuire contributed to his sinbinning due to his constant backchat to Hicks, which cost us at least one penalty being marched forward another 10 metres.
That is not to condone Sneyd's actions which I hope will be dealt with severely.
All in all a good tight game which we are seeing more of this year.
We are now guaranteed a spot in the last 8. Where we end up is totally in our own hands.
Not bad for an aging, badly coached side.

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Quote: thebloodbath "Lee Radford's line on serpent tackle on McGuire - 'probably done by accident'. '"


I appreciate he's trying to defend his own player ahead of a trip to Red Hall tomorrow, but that's absolute nonsense.

If it's an accident, why has Sneyd rolled first to his right, then over again while still holding on to McGuire's lower leg? You don't do that "by accident".

If he wants to slow down the play the ball, he just has to grab both of McGuire's legs and lie on top of him. No need for him to twist or contort his body in any way. It's a deliberate (even if it's not pre-meditated) and conscious decision to put a fellow professional in a position you know can cause him serious injury.

Still, given Radford's history of only smacking people from behind when they're on the floor, not a real surprise.

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Quote: Gotcha "Whilst I think he was correct to moan about it in hindsight (i.e. an injury inflicted), and the fact that the ref still chose to sin bin despite seeing the injury, the point is had there not been an injury the ref would have been correct. McGuire kicked out in a very bad way, his foot came down on the players head. In that fast motion the error of the ref can be somewhat understood.'"
had the ref missed the twisting of his ankle maybe so. But the ref saw it and punished Snead for it so the ref knew that McGuire was having his ankle twisted at that point.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "
If he wants to slow down the play the ball, he just has to grab both of McGuire's legs and lie on top of him. No need for him to twist or contort his body in any way. It's a deliberate (even if it's not pre-meditated) and conscious decision to put a fellow professional in a position you know can cause him serious injury.'"


That's the key point. If he wasn't attempting to injure / act against the spirit of the game, the only logical reasoning was that he was attempting to slow him down. if so, as you mention, you'd just clamp on, easiest way to do it. But to twist? a bit of an odd train of thought.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "had the ref missed the twisting of his ankle maybe so. But the ref saw it and punished Snead for it so the ref knew that McGuire was having his ankle twisted at that point.'"



But he didn't know he was injured when he gave the penalty and signalled. The action was over the top from McGuire without injury. However, when he showed the card he could not have know he wasn't injured from the incident.

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Don't know if anyones posted this already, but, cast your minds back to the opening game of 2014. Hull FC vs Catalans.

Elima tackles Heremaia but keeps hold of the leg and rolls. Very similar to what Sneyd did. If the RFL show any consistency (do they ever) Sneyd is looking at a minimum 4 matches, taking into account the injury caused.

rlhttps://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?4928rl

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Quote: Gotcha "But he didn't know he was injured when he gave the penalty and signalled. The action was over the top from McGuire without injury. However, when he showed the card he could not have know he wasn't injured from the incident.'"
So if McGuires action stops his ankle been broken its over the top?

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I thought Ablett was head and shoulders best player. Pleasing because his form has dipped a little this year IMO.

Still, it was a good display from Keinhorst, a player someone on here described as Hehterington's "pet project" that would "never make a super league player".

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Quote: Dave K. "If it's deliberate, then I agree, hard to prove though, he should be punished though.'"

You are Scott Palfreyman and I claim my £5

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Quote: Andy Gilder "I appreciate he's trying to defend his own player ahead of a trip to Red Hall tomorrow, but that's absolute nonsense.

If it's an accident, why has Sneyd rolled first to his right, then over again while still holding on to McGuire's lower leg? You don't do that "by accident".

If he wants to slow down the play the ball, he just has to grab both of McGuire's legs and lie on top of him. No need for him to twist or contort his body in any way. It's a deliberate (even if it's not pre-meditated) and conscious decision to put a fellow professional in a position you know can cause him serious injury.

Still, given Radford's history of only smacking people from behind when they're on the floor, not a real surprise.'"

This.

Its an action that is designed (and taught by other players and coaches) to cause pain to the other player. That it went further and caused injury isn't surprising, in exactly the same way as Chase's cannonball on Ferres did. That is not mitigation for Sneyd, it's an aggravation. He knows it has the potential to cause injury and yet did it anyway.

10 match ban minimum for me. I'm sick of seeing these sh|thouse type of tackles and tactics that are actively being taught to players in our game. It's not tough. It's cowardly. And they aren't the values our sport was built on and says it continues to want in our game.

It's about time these tackles and tactics were stamped out of the game with very long bans for the players that commit them. Plus, it's time to make the coaches and clubs responsible for their actions, because these things are being practiced in training. So every time an incident happens the coach and club be fined. On an increasing scale for the first few then we start in to bans for the coaches and punishments for the club until they take responsibility and stop these sh|thouse, pathetic, cowardly acts from happening.

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Quote: G1 "I thought Ablett was head and shoulders best player. Pleasing because his form has dipped a little this year IMO.
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Apart from at fault for two of the tries you mean?

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Quote: G1 "I thought Ablett was head and shoulders best player. Pleasing because his form has dipped a little this year IMO.

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....anything to do with the fact he was making a rare appearance in what many - including me - have long said is his [ibest[/i poistion? (at least on attack)

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Quote: SmokeyTA "So if McGuires action stops his ankle been broken its over the top?'"



Did it stop his ankle been broken? That wasn't what I said at all though. I said it from the refs perspective. The ref saw the offence and penalised it, he also saw McGuire lift his right foot in the air and kick it down on Sneyd. That is an offence in it's self no matter who you support. However, the fact that McGuire sustained the injury from the offence, Hicks should have used his head better.

Me personally, I am not a believer that retaliation should be punished the same as original offences. However, those are the rules.

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If Anthony England can cop a an 8 match ban for gobbing at Hobbit boy, then Sneyd should be facing at the very least a similar term spent in the stands.

Both actions were deliberate and both have absolutely no place in our game, although England left Brough with a slimy face while Sneyd left McGuire needing hospital treatment

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