I'm still not quite sure why that wasn't given as a try, his momentum hadn't stopped and it was the tackler moving him - had that been at the sideline and he'd been taken in to touch there'd have been no penalty and no complaints - the idea that the instant the ball carrying arm touches the turf the tackle is complete is a nonsense and made that call an American Football one to me.

And if Tansey was offside then it should have been at least a penalty.

Good performance. Similar tactics to the away game at Saints (2 offloads all game) but with a more controlled kicking game in the second half and an ability to at least occasionally move play to the right. Cas pushed the ball a lot more and made a lot more errors.

Sutcliffe looking more and more comfortable and Peacock, Leuluai and Singleton winning the wrestle against a strong Cas pack.

On the negatives McGuire, without playing badly, made a lot of wrong decisions and Ablett, though his numbers were good, was a bit below par. Would get him through the Wigan game then give him a rest - think he's been our only mainline player who hasn't been rotated this season? Kylie will get at least a warning letter for his shoulder charge (fantastic hit) on Millington. Huby and Clark very good for Cas as usual.

The only penalties that can be given in a free play are for foul play hence that is why it went back for a drop out not a penalty.
I can understand why the try wasn't given even though Tansey is turning McGuire it looked to me that he was also propelling himself forward. If that was against Leeds i would have been very unhappy if a try was given

There's no way it was a double movement, McGuire didn't make a "second effort", he was flipped over the line by Tansey. I suppose you could say the tackle had been completed when the ball-carrying arm hit the floor, but then you should rule a play-the-ball to Leeds on that spot.

Not sure how offside rule works in those circumstances. Tansey is offside if he touches the ball from in front of Dixon, but don't think he's offside if he touches the opposition player who's picked the ball up?

If it is ruled a double movement then they cannot go back to the play of the ball they have to go back to the original knock on offence as that is what generated the free play. Otherwise for every double movement it would go back to a play of the ball not be a penalty to the defence. As it was a free play the only way it could be changed to a penalty for either side is for foul play.

Yes, but I didn't think it was a double movement

Can't be offside from your own ingoal area. Since the error occurred in the in goal, no players are offside

You can't be offside in your own in goal area.
I think it would have been offside if Tansey had picked the ball up as he was not in the in goal area and therefore in front of Dixon in the field of play.

I'm fairly sure that's not quite true.
The team that gave away the free play (in this case it's Cas from a knock on) can still be penalised for technical infringements like offside/obstruction etc because that penalty would be the greater advantage to the non-offending team (in this case Leeds).
The team benefitting from the free play (in this case Leeds following a Cas knock-on) cannot be penalised for a technical offence, but can be for foul play.

For instance if following a Cas knock-on a Leeds player had kicked the ball forwards and another Leeds player was offside from that kick then Leeds wouldn't concede a penalty, the free play would be cancelled and the ball would go back to a scrum to Leeds for a Cas knock-on.
If following a Cas knock on Leeds pick the ball up and run with it and a Leeds player leads with the elbow then it would be a penalty to Cas regardless of the free play, because the foul play overrides the free play.

Cas, however, can still be penalised for any offence, be it technical or foul play. Otherwise it would be in Cas' interests to commit a technical offence to take the ball back to a scrum rather than allowing Leeds free play.


I do think it was a double movement from McGuire though, but if Tansey was offside from the knock on then it should have been a penalty to Leeds.

When off side 1. A player is off side except when he is in his own ingoal if the ball touches, is touched, held or kicked, by one of his own team behind him.
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Tansey wasn't ingoal he was chugging back, hence getting back in time to swat McGuire.

Yes.



another said "he looked unfit last night."

You even posted "I thought Delaney was poor at the match last night," an admission of poor judgement which you only qualified that after reading his impressive stats.

Actually what I said was at the match he looked poor, but on seeing the stats his performance was incredible, which shows that stats can be viewed separately.

You made your comment after seeing the stats. Quite easy to do that one. Don't comment until the stats show something. I had seen the stats and still commented, and said it in a way to defend Delaney from the only post to question him. I would bet most who viewed the game would not say the stats match what they were seeing.

And as others have said, he did look poor and unfit during the match. It just would appear when you see that it clouds the judgement on other areas. You know a bit like you not seeing what game BJB really had last night, with regards kicks.

I think Delaney always does that, as others have said. I think it's more a symptom of the intensity he puts into his work.

I thought (I like the bloodbath's term here, so I'm nicking it) it was a very Delaney performance. The guy is never spectacular, rarely puts in an "MoM performance" but is an absolute workaholic. He's a workhorse. It's an under-valued role but totally central to any successful team.

He's there to do a specific job. Last night he did that specific job very well, in my opinion. Those looking for a game-breaking, stellar performance from him will remain unsatisfied for a long time to come. Those looking for him to be near the top of the tackle count and putting his hand up for the toughest, most unglamorous carries and still making yards will remain very pleased with his efforts. Fans are fickle creatures. I bet his team mates absolutely love having him in the team.

That was me and I still stand by it

I also noted that I am a big fan of Delaney and I was judging his game last night by the very high standard he has performed to since he joined the club