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Quote: G1 "When ET came over (second stint) he wasn't fit at first. Probably shouldn't have even played on the wing to start with. His display in the Yorkshire Cup Final was poor.

However,once fit, there was no doubt who would play.

Spencer was a great full back but,sadly, the Paul Wellens of his day, perhaps slower. Still in great shape and could probably play now.'"


Spencer did have all the attributes to be a great full back, except one. To be fair, like Wellens it shows how good he was at other aspects of play that he could forge out a career in that position when he was that slow. But. boy, was he slow even in an era when Ian Wilkinson and Paul Gill played 1. No fancy Billy Slaters in them days.

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Quote: craigizzard "Spencer did have all the attributes to be a great full back, except one. To be fair, like Wellens it shows how good he was at other aspects of play that he could forge out a career in that position when he was that slow. But. boy, was he slow even in an era when Ian Wilkinson and Paul Gill played 1. No fancy Billy Slaters in them days.'"


Slow? They were Usain Bolt next to Keith Mumby.

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I wouldn't move Mags on just yet but i personaly would look to start next year with Sutcliffe(6) Burrow(7) Sinfield(9) and Ward(13) with Mags on the bench.
I'd also like to see Kylie used only as a bench/rotation option unless we sign a power-house prop ,Kirke and Moore moved but wouldn't be surprised to see Mcshane and Clarkson depart also.

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I would like to see how McGuire is after the off season before I judge his Leeds career.Clarkes Rugby gods may have condemned him to purgatory.It was a pity about that Wigan injury he was in great form at that time

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Quote: rhinoms "I wouldn't move Mags on just yet but i personaly would look to start next year with Sutcliffe(6) Burrow(7) Sinfield(9) and Ward(13) with Mags on the bench.
I'd also like to see Kylie used only as a bench/rotation option unless we sign a power-house prop ,Kirke and Moore moved but wouldn't be surprised to see Mcshane and Clarkson depart also.'"


Kirke is not going anywhere as much as you want him out. Signed a new deal earlier in the season after turning down moves elsewhere.

Letting clarkson go would be a mistake, mcshane not so much he's just not good enough especially defensively.

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Moore has got a year to go.It wouldn't surprise me if he had a release to have a swansong at wakey regular apps and 2 seasons.Could be wrong

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Quote: lionarmour87 "Moore has got a year to go.It wouldn't surprise me if he had a release to have a swansong at wakey regular apps and 2 seasons.Could be wrong'"


If i was Moore i would want to get to a team where i was playing week in week out, as a 32 year old not too long left, he's way down the pecking order for us and i can never see him forcing his way into being a regular fixture in the team now.

I think it would be best for both partys and would rather see a young lad given his token gesture bit part minutes.

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Quote: Biff Tannen "If i was Moore i would want to get to a team where i was playing week in week out, as a 32 year old not too long left, he's way down the pecking order for us and i can never see him forcing his way into being a regular fixture in the team now.

I think it would be best for both partys and would rather see a young lad given his token gesture bit part minutes.'"


Or he gets paid anyway....for doing less.

Depends what we wants in the winter of his career.

Least he hasn't gone AWOL in Leeds colours.

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Quote: thebloodbath "Or he gets paid anyway....for doing less.

Depends what we wants in the winter of his career.

Least he hasn't gone AWOL in Leeds colours.'"


Yes, his attitude towards his role has been commendable. He rarely features in big games and if we have a fully fit squad he misses out,but maybe he is happy with his lot at Leeds and if so fair enough.

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Quote: Sherbert Dip "I don't care anymore.
Have slowly become disillusioned with the game.

The refs...the video ref....the RFL...the judiciary panel...skint clubs...embarrassing sponsors (if any).....clueless inane commentary on sky.....stupid play off systems...stupid promotion/relegation suggestions....The World Cup played in front of poor crowds....Australia winning the World Cup....MacNamara still in a job...Wakefield & Castelford refusing to merge when it makes sense....etc etc'"


I'm afraid thats me as well. Distance away from the heartlands and an inability to get to many live games at HQ probably havent helped but the game has slowly become more and more tinpot.

The future for RL looks pretty bleak. I still expect there will be a sport around in 20 years but I would guess it will be semi professional at best as any player with real talent will head for the riches and exposure of the NRL. Clubs like leeds whilst self sustaining at present will suffer from a deterioration in clubs around them as they go to the wall. Added to this the RFL will continue to administer the sport like the rank amateurs they are, coming up with increasingly crackpot ideas to change the structure of the leagues and the game itself liek the mystifying league structure they are about to introduce or the laughable club call

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Quote: The Magic Rat "McGuire is clearly struggling to get back to full fitness and has probably returned too soon like some other players just because we have reached playoff time. Despite that I think it would be wrong to write off his future at Leeds. When fit he creates space for our threequarters that they dont always receive when he's missing. I would agree that he appears to be more injury prone than Sinfield and burrow and he may finish earlier than those two but I hope he still has a few years yet.'"


From what I have seen of him prior to the injury he has definitely lost his speed. However, he makes up for that with experience

Burrow has been excellent in recent matches

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Quote: Biff Tannen "Yes, his attitude towards his role has been commendable. He rarely features in big games and if we have a fully fit squad he misses out,but maybe he is happy with his lot at Leeds and if so fair enough.'"

I have read Delaney commenting on Moore at home saying he (Moore) spends a lot of time recording and watching RL games over and over again.Perhaps he is going to go into coaching in the near future?

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Quote: lionarmour87 "I have read Delaney commenting on Moore at home saying he (Moore) spends a lot of time recording and watching RL games over and over again.Perhaps he is going to go into coaching in the near future?'"


Good job for him he likes WATCHING it icon_wink.gif

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Regarding Sinfield/Burrow/McGuire.....

I wonder which Leeds players (if any) end their international careers after the WC. I think this has probably been Sinfield's poorest year for some time and when you look at the former England captain (who was struggling prior to his international retirement) being joint favourite for MOS then perhaps focusing solely on club careers is the future for Sinfield, JJB, McGuire & Burrow. None will be around for another WC so stepping away after this year makes sense and they might enjoy the same kind of boost as Peacock has enjoyed in 2013 in their club careers.

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Quote: ThePrinter "Regarding Sinfield/Burrow/McGuire.....

I wonder which Leeds players (if any) end their international careers after the WC. I think this has probably been Sinfield's poorest year for some time and when you look at the former England captain (who was struggling prior to his international retirement) being joint favourite for MOS then perhaps focusing solely on club careers is the future for Sinfield, JJB, McGuire & Burrow. None will be around for another WC so stepping away after this year makes sense and they might enjoy the same kind of boost as Peacock has enjoyed in 2013 in their club careers.'"


I think it will be the end for Sinfield and JJB after this WC both approaching 32/33 now.Widdop should be the 6 we build the team around going forward.Mcguire probably wont be selected this time and its clear he is on the slide.Its debatable if he was ever good enough at that level and he certainly isn't now.It's hard to see him featuring again unless we have a serious injury crisis at half back.Burrow could maybe carry on for a couple more years as a squad player to be used as a wild card off the bench but thats for others to decide.

Not sure if any will formaly retire, but realisticaly it should be taken out of their hands as we should be building an England team for the future again.Like you say,It that should enable us to squeeze a couple more decent years out of these lads before they call it a day so not a bad thing from a Leeds fan's perspective.

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