Sorry, the game was influenced by the players, Leeds players in particular.
If they'd have used their skills and talent correctly they may have won the game.
Leeds tried everything to disrupt Bradford late in the game and could have been pinned a lot more.

The Leeds players who played it fair and tried to win the game should be having a word with the others.

Why not?



Still a penalty conceded while in possession and in good field position. Still one of the dumbest things you'll ever see on a rugby field. Similar to giving a penalty away on the 5th tackle and in Leeds' abysmal final nine minute spell we had one of those from Bailey as well. Coach killers.



I understand the point (and don't disagree in principal) but by specific I was hoping for a time in the game so that I could easily locate them and have a look. It's just that I don't recall seeing any (on first viewing) quite as obvious as the Peacock one on 71.

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Another mistake from Bentham - definite penalty, although in fairness he probably knew it was McGuire - the highest try scorer in SL history rather than Maguire - the ex Wigan coach and once upon a time Adelaide full-back skinned by Paul Sterling on his way to a wonder try at Headingley in 1997.

My only beef with Bentham is the spear tackle was a straight red card.

Quote: oldladyrhino " If Bails had shoved the young TJ he would have gone over as his thin long legs would not have been enough to hold him up. '" As I said previously it appeared from the footage that Bailey may have given him a shove. No idea whether it was deliberately aimed at the official or accidental but in live play at 70:25 precisely (clock was still running) Bailey is behind the official and appears to shove him in the back - the official appears to react as if some physical contact has been made. I'll be interested to see what the RFL have to say - if anything - after they suspended Bailey for three matches last year for making deliberate contact with an official: the ruling on that incident can be read here - www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?3407

Quote: oldladyrhino " If Bails had shoved the young TJ he would have gone over as his thin long legs would not have been enough to hold him up. '" As I said previously it appeared from the footage that Bailey may have given him a shove. No idea whether it was deliberately aimed at the official or accidental but in live play at 70:25 precisely (clock was still running) Bailey is behind the official and appears to shove him in the back - the official appears to react as if some physical contact has been made. I'll be interested to see what the RFL have to say - if anything - after they suspended Bailey for three matches last year for making deliberate contact with an official: the ruling on that incident can be read here - www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?3407

yes, the players indiscipline!if peacock hadn't gone after bateman you probably would have won,but lets blame the ref shall we instead?

unintentionally.
once he realised where the tackle was going he released him,by then momentum had taken him beyond horizontal, it was dangerous yes but not malicious and whitehead let him go as soon as he realised he'd messed up.after that nothing could stop jjb from turning over.

I thought there were some poor calls, and we did seem to be on the wrong end of a few of them, at inconvenient times. The turnover after Kearney clearly and obviously touched it was unacceptable, im not not sure that the Hall try wasn’t a huge mistake, if it wasn’t, then we should look at the rules again because JJB had nothing at all to do with that try being scored, Sinfield drop out being given as a knock on was wrong but these things happen. There were a few bits and bobs and Bentham seemed to lose a bit of control and start pinging things at random, he seemed to swing from letting things go to clamping down on things without warning. The spear tackle wasn’t malicious, but that isn’t really relevant. Whitehead has a duty of care and he lost control of that tackle. The fact JJB wasn’t injured was luck not judgement. We aren’t strict on spear tackle because it is nasty, it is banned because it is dangerous and that tackle was dangerous regardless of intent. I would hope Benthams bosses aren’t happy with that performance, some of those decisions weren’t the standard of the quality we should expect. But our indiscipline was more to blame.

We should have been able to win in spite of that though, but it was a really really good game and enjoyed it. A bit of controversy is part of the game isn’t it?

Jones-Buchanan was in front of the kicker and stayed within the ten. That he may or may not have had an influence on proceedings is unclear but do we really want to introduce even more subjective material in to the debate.

Stay onside at the kick or if you're in front stay outside the ten or wait for the kicker to run past you to play you onside.

Let's not reward poor (or potentially worse - cynical) play.

I think the only decision Bentham got wrong was the Sinfield 'knock on'. Other than that he was fine. If Leeds fans should blame anyone for their team not winning this game, they should blame Peacock for costing his team a drop goal, and for getting himself sin-binned towards the end of the game.

I have no problems with the ref in general last night. The knock on was the only one he hat wrong against us. I didn't think Scruton was high on Bailey. He want in for the big hit and they clashed heads. His arms were around the shoulders. At the time I thought the spear tackle didn't warrant a red and when I got back and watched the incident again I was happy with Benthams reasoning on it.

I have seen many fans slating Bailey down tonight though but I for one don't see what he did wrong? When Whitehead did the spear he ran in but every forward from any team would be expected to do that. Peacock and Delaney were also straight in but no one mentions them. Then he gets slated because Scrutin came off second best so obviously Bailey is a thug and did something wrong. Fans and officials need to get a grip sometimes because Bailey, like Morley did in Australia, gets an unfair rap because of his past underscores sins and the fact he can be a wind up merchant.

I saw one comment on another website last night saying "surely Leeds fans must see Bailey does them more harm than good after tonight". That left me baffled as to what they actually see when he is involved in a play.

But he got all the penalties against Bradford spot on....

Correct, regardless of whether he had an effect on play, he was offside and only a few metres away from Kearney when he muffed it. The call was right. I was explaining to people around me who looked bemused at the replays before the desision was made.

Whinos is a very apt description of the Leeds faithful.

Yes.

Because, in that situation, who was JJB within the ‘ten’ of? Kearney didn’t touch the ball so was he the designated player to be within the ten of? Or was it Whitehead (?) who made the tackle on Hall in the end? Neither of those players touched the ball so we are already in confusion of where what we are judging against. Also at what point are we judging this? JJB was closer to Kearney when the ball was kicked than he was when Kearney made his play at the ball (which he missed) so when did JJB need to be more than 10metres away from Kearney, or Whitehead whichever we end up judging it against?

JJB did wait for the kicker to go past him, and the kicker eventually did. This is another reason the current rules arent clear because at the point it was kicked JJB was ahead of the kicker, and the point Kearney played and missed at he was, at the point Hall regathered i would say it was pretty close and when Hall scored I think Moon was the closest player to him.

Im all for simplifying the rules, but in this case I think that subjective judgement would be simpler. If JJB involves himself in the play, even to the point of just challenging for the ball he is obviously offside, if he doesn’t, he isn’t.

No, as I said seemed to begin to ping players at random, especially around the ruck. Bradford players were getting away with some pretty obvious stuff, then being pinged for some stuff which left you wondering where on earth it had come from.