T'was. The set of six given to Hull by Mathers and Calderwood fluffing a kick led to it. Also, Ward might've been fresher with McDermott on the bench. Also, Senior shouldn't have been picked. Also, Bai shouldn't have had a brain fart. etc etc.

These are all the things that pop into my head when remembering that game, along with Sinfield getting the Lance Todd.

Take Sinfield out of the attack against Saints and we might have scored more points? and given away less penalties - he gave away 3 himself?

So assuming you are correct, one would counteract the other. i.e.good defence, poor attack.

That in my books is an average mark then. Which is exactly what I have been saying.

It also shows that different people can rate performances differently as they may have different criterias in their own heads of what is expected from the players. This can be moreso for pivotal players who are in a position to influence the game. In professional sport that can be exaggerrated when some players earn much more than others and therefore the expectation of their average performance is much greater than other players.

You exclude the captain bit and the penalties - less than average mark when all taken into account

Sinfield hold his hand up to be a ball player, hence his interception pass, the fact that hedoes this is a positive, the fact that it reduces the onus on the SH and SO to be ballplayers and inpose themselves on a game can be a positive or a negative. The fact that we have a creative LF puts pressure on the other forwards to do more dummy running and hitups whilst on the field,fortunately we normally have a Jamoe Peacock to help do this.

Having seen their attempts to do this while Sinfield was out of the side I'd say it's a huge positive...

I agree, but is it a case that because Sinfield is there McGuire and Burrow have not had the full opportunity or need to develop their ballplaying/organisational skills to the full level or has Sinfields presence masked their inability to do this?

If they had been in the game a couple of years, that might well be a perfectly fair question.

As it stands now though, we have seen many enough years to be able to feel certain which bit is a certainty.

danny ward.