I leave the petty name calling to others but Gibson (and in your case Worrall) were/are not up to the standard Leeds need to take them forward and remain a force. I think Ratu may also perhaps fall into that same category although in fairness I haven't seen enough of him to judge fully yet.

The Vulcan Operating Company, you are goody at the statistics and the judgements. We will be payings you 100 Ugandan Shillings per weeks to come and look after our national team statistics. I also makes available my 4th homings for your perusal.

Idi

I know. No way a squad containing the likes of them could ever acheive any kind of success in this league is there........................................

We did didn't we.

Nobody seems to have told the players we have they're not up to it.

Any kind of success, yes. The kind of success I and the club should crave in this relative golden age (that won't last forever and could be over in the snap of a brittle bone or two) builds upon being Champions and doesn't rest upon it.

St Helens in 2006 could do it, why not a dominant Leeds?

Because we adhere to the salary cap?

Because 2009 is not 2006 and the talent appears to be evening out across the league.

I am not counting any chickens here but if we win an unprecedented 3rd championship would you consider that better than doing a league and cup double in one year?

Regardless of who is at the helm, you cannot doubt the tenacity and sheer will to win of the kids who have come through Leeds' ranks starting I guess in about 2002 and ongoing now (a legacy of Dean Bell maybe, and how many of them have been panned for not being good enough and then gone on to prove everyone wrong by being exactly what [ithis team [/ineeded? Or have moved to other clubs to supplement the income streams. Leeds have benefited from cut price, hard working , enterprising players coming through the ranks, which has enabled them to pay for the world class talent that then makes them players shine.

I may not be the keenest Leeds fan on the block but I have always been proud of how the Rhino's have built success on a foundation of home grown talent and sustained it. The business model is second to none in my book. Everything you see is an improvement on what went before. The ground is being improved by capital expenditure against a balance book in the black, not by begging scrimping and scraping or going cap in hand to the councils.

Yes G, I'll take an extended period of success over a single season's dominance , every time.

An even more impressive stat would be 4 wins in six years (plus one runners up spot). Like you, I'm not counting chickens though.

the words you put in itallics were key and is something the fantasy football fans desperate for multiple showy signings fail to appreciate.

But evidently not good enough for some.

4 league and cup doubles in six seasons would appear to be the benchmark for some.

I think some people think we're Wigan competing against part time players in the Stones Bitter Championship circa 1988-1994.

St Helens in 2006 built upon success? Remind me again who won the 2007 and 2008 Grand Finals?

Did St Helens break the cap in 2006?



Leeds are in the midst of a golden period for them and they should be utilising all at their fingertips to ensure success and yes that includes for me even more success.



Yes I would but I would also consider winning the Challenge Cup along that journey as evidence that Leeds have done all they could do.

I see no merit in underspending the salary cap comfortably, spending within a few K of it without going over would be the impressive part and would indicate a club maximising their efforts (if they can afford to spend what is permitted under the rules.)

If Leeds go on to win the Championship again this season it rather highlights how the comp has gone backwards.

i totally agree about leeds doing the best they can and that includes spending the full cap.
however this leeds side is a very good one and if other teams have stood still or gone backwards then that is there fault.we can only play whats in front of us.
i will celebrate,if we win, this years GF win as much as any other one