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Quote: Sthelens RLFC "You've talked sh[size.[/sizeit on here in the past, granted, but that is embarrassing.

362 tackles with 15 misses this season. 710 tackles with 28 misses last season. In the top 10 tacklers last season, on the cusp of the top 25 this season. Considering he defends in the middle of the park and goes in low and hard more often than not, I'd love to see you tell me which part of his defence is poor.'"


I think he's on about defensive reads more than missed tackles. Same as what Sheens said about Ellis when he went over to Aus this year and that got the same reaction off our fans as you just came out with. Remember, stats donts tell you non atempts.

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Quote: rpw "Agree completly with you on both points there. Kirke misses too many tackles for me. We look a better pack when Ali's on the park. Our attack looks so much better and he gives us a bit more go forward. Our back row needs improving but HQ know that - hence the move for Eastwood.'"

Just been on stats site - interesting your comment on Kirke's missed tackles
Kirke played 11 missed 13
Ablett played 13 missed 31
Ali played 11 missed 16
Bailey played 9 missed 12
JJB played 13 missed 27
Peacock played 13 missed 18
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Quote: Hollywood Harrigan "I think he's on about defensive reads more than missed tackles. Same as what Sheens said about Ellis when he went over to Aus this year and that got the same reaction off our fans as you just came out with. Remember, stats donts tell you non atempts.'"


But I don't think Roby reads the game badly either to be honest? You don't often see players split through gaps either side of him. I could understand someone saying it about Keiron this year whos defence has tailed off somewhat but I'd be surprised for anyone to doubt Robys defence whether it be his actual tackling or positioning.

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Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "We must agree to differ regarding Saints/Long - it is no coincidence that Potter has arrived seen whats there and Long is now surplus to requirements - teams have to evolve and if Potter wants to play a certain way then perhaps that is not possible with Long's playing style?

Manchester United have been constantly changing the way they play - Ferguson doesn't just get rid of big name players - he brings them in too - the biggest changes to that side has been the defence - how many big names has he got rid of recently to change that!!!! - none.

Sinfield's kicking game - that's a joke Leeds don't have a kicking game - did you go to the game last night? Tackling - like to look at his tackling stats re-missed tackle % this year - he will be pretty close to the top.

OK how would you progress the team and its style of play?'"


My understanding is that Saints have offered a player who will be 33 this season (same as Senior) a 1 year contract (same as Senior) Long has suggested he wants two years. Saints have given him permission to talk to other clubs. Not quite getting rid hestill has the option of a 1 yr deal.

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I'm not sure what DISA is seeing here either. Roby is excellent in attack and defence, and has an under rated passing game (because it's over shadowed by his running) with great vision.

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Quote: Hollywood Harrigan "I know what you mean but you are basing his decision making skills on him playing at 6 where naturally he hass less time on the ball because it has already gone through 2 pairs of hands and the defence has moved up.'"


It's busy in the middle. There's time and space....or more of it anyway....on the edges than there is in the middle. Mcguire is more suited to playing in space, where he can use his pace to get on the outside of a spread defence or agility to cut back against and over-pursuing defender.

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I'd say the biggest thing last night about maguire and sinfield was the momentum and space created for them by the pack being dominant and the quick ptb's for buderus/diskin!!
It's no coincidence that our halve's have looked flat or desperate in game's where the pack have struggled to maintain momentum at our pace.
I agree with HH that mcguire and marshall are very similar in style but i still wouldn't ditch any of the 3 playmakers.

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Quote: Richie "It's busy in the middle. There's time and space....or more of it anyway....on the edges than there is in the middle. Mcguire is more suited to playing in space, where he can use his pace to get on the outside of a spread defence or agility to cut back against and over-pursuing defender.'"


Which is the point I was making - he's much more effective in that Pryce role of working off a pivot at first receiver than at first man dictating the play.

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Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "We must agree to differ regarding Saints/Long - it is no coincidence that Potter has arrived seen whats there and Long is now surplus to requirements - teams have to evolve and if Potter wants to play a certain way then perhaps that is not possible with Long's playing style?'"


Or perhaps it is. The fact is, Long's at the end of his career and a bit past his best. There's also the Salary cap, that's why there's no 2 year deal for him. Simple as.

Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "Manchester United have been constantly changing the way they play - Ferguson doesn't just get rid of big name players - he brings them in too - the biggest changes to that side has been the defence - how many big names has he got rid of recently to change that!!!! - none.'"


I never said he didn't. ''biggest changes to that side has been the defense'' What on earth are you talking about.... 3.4580078125:5
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