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"Well, I think in Rugby League if you head butt someone there's normally some repercusions":d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_25511.jpg



Quote: tvoc "Really, so what was all that court case thingy about then?'"


You have me there. What was the court case all about?

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Quote: Dave Heron's Moustache "You have me there. What was the court case all about?'"


Justice?

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Quote: G1 "I see. The agreement to return to Leeds. OK, lets examine that shall we?

The judge held it WAS a restraint of trade, albeit a legal one. So Iestyn breached his contract for which we were compensated. So what's your problem?

If you're going to get all pious on behalf of our club you should ask Karl Pratt and Andy Hay how honourable we can be when it comes to contracts being honoured.

I agree he had poor advice from his legal advisers in taking the preliminary issue on restraint of trade. As someone who knows pointed out earlier he didn't listen to or take advice when signing his final Leeds playing contract. He was given good advice when told to settle the claim, btw!

Finally, you've brought morals into the equation which you shouldn't really. Imagine this hypothetical scenario. GH persuades Iestyn not to walk away at the end of his 1st contract. They shake hands on an agreement that iestyn will sign another deal but he will let him leave a year later. That way Leeds can get a transfer fee. Both are happy to do it.

When it comes to the crunch GH reneges and starts making demands. nearly scuppers the deal. So Iestyn is reluctantly co-orced into signing an agreement to return to Leeds which was never what was agreed when Iestyn graciously agreed to stay 1 more year before chasing his dreams.

Now, who has the moral high ground?

BTW, this is not story time. Much of these facts were accepted by the judge in the preliminary issue trial you have linked to a report of.

So, for those of you silly enough to be holding some sort of grudge against our former captain and one of our greatest players I reckon you need to get a grip.'"



Not quite as I rlrecall itrl

Harris signed a 4 year contract with Rhinos in December 1999 and less than 18 months later was attempting to weasal his way out of it.

Given his previous track record with Warrington, GH as Chief Exec, with advice from Chris Ross at Cobbetts , took the neccesary steps to make the best of a bad situation. And to be honest, both of them played a blinder. Not too sure how a hypothetical case would pan out in court though.

It is also interesting to note as far as moral high ground........it all ended in tears at rlCardiffrl as well. I'm beginning to detect a pattern with Mr Harris.

Take your pick....Harries is either one of the most duplicitous people you are likely to meet, or has had extraordinary poor advice throughout his career.

I am firmly in the former camp. I acknowledge his abilities as a player, and what he may bring in a coaching role to the game in the future. His articulate appearances on Sky are testiment to his RL knowledge.

Any bets on the chances of a Sky contract..... or will he be getting paid cash in hand? icon_lol.gif

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Quote: BillyRhino "I'm beginning to detect a pattern with Mr Harris.'"


At least he saw out his last SL contract having learned from the errors of his previous ways.

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Quote: BillyRhino "Not quite as I rlrecall itrl

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Read paragraphs 15, 17 and 45 of that judgment and, accepting as you have that Harris was badly advised, tell me how that is not consistent with the scenario I described above?

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Quote: G1 "Should've made an effort to attend the dinner if you were that bothered.'"


Nice one

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Quote: G1 "Read paragraphs 15, 17 and 45 of that judgment and, accepting as you have that Harris was badly advised, tell me how that is not consistent with the scenario I described above?'"



Quote: G1 "BillyRhino wroteformer camp. '"



The scenario you painted may well have been how it played out in Harris's mind. However, I would suggest that Mr Justice Grey called it correctly.


I think that Paragraphs 13,14,15,16 and 17, show quite comprehensively that Harris's claims he knew nothing about Clause 5,.... that nary a word was mentioned by the WRU,... His agent,... his solicitor, or in his several discussions with GH, were rightly dismissed by Justice Grey.

I thought Justice Grey was more than generous, in his explanation that these discrepancies were caused by Harris having a limited ability to understand Contracts. Contract Law is one thing, understanding basic spoken English is something else. His subsequent television appearances would suggest he's not as thick as he chose to portray himself in Court.

Paragraph 45 confirms it was immaterial whether he understood the Terms of his Contract, as his Agent and Solicitor certainly did.


I personally think that Harris intended to maximise his career earnings, and may have thought his undoubted on field ability would let him disregard any Contracts which he had signed. It's thinking like that which keeps lawyers in business .eusa_clap.gif

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Quote: batleyrhino "From conversation with IH's previous advisor, he deliberately signed the last deal with Leeds to guarantee us a transfer fee, against Tom's advice.

He then had his hand forced up his back by GH with the last minute price hike and "contract termination document". None of this was part of the original discussions, so IH had a right to be tee'd off.

With regard to the court case, it was always a case of "we could afford to lose it, but Bradford couldn't", so really it was a game of poker. It was also a great opportunity for GH to embarass CC, so it was just too good a chance for him to turn down.

IH should be remembered for his exploits on the field at Leeds, as so few people know the real details behind his exit that they really are not qualified to comment on it. He should receive the applause and reception worthy of a great player for Leeds.'"



You know, if Adolph Hitler had played a few seasons for us, and later claimed his brain fart in 1939 was the result of bad advice, I'm pretty sure there would be a few numpties on here loudly proclaiming his abilities at stand off!


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