So Leeds let in another 5 tries. I'd argue all of them could have been stopped. I've said before, the team just don't look committed in defence as a unit, and I'm with those holding senior players far more guilty than any of the youngsters.

We will never find out how good Lilley, Golding et al are until they get half a chance in a non-garbage team. FWIW I like the look of Lilley though, and I don't think he's as slow as some suggest.

So are you saying I misread where posters said if McGuire had played we would have won? If we had a full side out we walk this etc. Nobody more adept at this than you - something you don't like being pointed out. We have lost 5 games by 4 points if we had won those we would be in challenging for the top 4 - that's one of yours!! Nothing like stating the bloody obvious!!

No that's not one of mine. I said we should've won 4 more games this year than what he have done (mainly the Easter ones)....once again your 'fantastic' reading skills strike!

Professional sport is a results driven business - happy to be accused of stating the bleeding obvious here - Leeds' results are in danger of leading them out of top flight if they can't turn them around. Just as nobody should really care about the margin of victory, there is no comfort and certainly no points to be had from a defeat no matter by how narrow a margin. A defeat is a defeat - no amount of excuses or even valid reasons will change that. Yet to win away from home in 2016, yet to win more than one in a row - if the season continues as it has to this point .... well it's over and being the butt of every other supporter's jokes awaits.

I didn't say Hudds were great, just that they were better than us.

Are you on medication

A number of reasons we lost that game, lack of commitment in defence wasn't one of them.



He isn't I agree. Also don't think it's right that Lilley is the HB that's having to switch which side he's defending on during the game. Burrow defends left, Sutcliffe right, with Lilley alternating during games much like McGuire did/does. Surely with his size and less experience he should be on the right next to the winger, Burrow likewise on the left side and Sutcliffe with more size and more experience than Lilley should be alternating sides 3rd man in.

You don't half speak a lot of perspicacity at times

Of the two (Lilley and Golding) I am now of the persuasion Lilley is the more likely to make a success of it. In addition to the attributes others have pointed out I love his fearlessness when going for the line - both close in and from distance. He has ducked and rode a few clouts in both cases (and if only the out of form Watkins would race up in support in the RC position, instead of the willing but hopeless RW we now have playing there, who knows what better outcomes we might get).

Fundamentally though the league position doesn't lie: as a team we are still incontrovertibly crap.

At that point I'd seen Burrow, Sutcliffe and Hardaker kick multiple goals for Leeds and I rated them in that order. I'm the first to admit I'd not seen Lilley outside of 1st grade and after the clutched attempt V North Queensland Cowboys he still had everything to prove at this level.

Indeed with regards play-making, didn't realise that had been under discussion, likewise which is the better defender or better poacher or safer under the bomb etc.

The reason I suspect McDermott shifted Lilley from right side early to left was that faced with Ta'ai he had already shown himself to be both clueless and useless for the first Huddersfield try. Defending Lilley with Burrow on the left is just plain crazy though.

It's been a while but the sooner we get back to defending second row, half back, centre, winger on either flank the sooner we bring consistency and understanding both with ball in hand and without and challenge players to develope in areas they are lacking. There is no hiding place in League anyway so why do we try to hide weaker defenders instead of challenging them to improve. If they don't improve to at least be able to work within the unit they should be stood down and sent away until they can. There are two aspects to the game and both can help to win you the game.

Will Bennett be selecting half-backs for England who can't stand up defensively and hiding them outside the centre? I very, very much doubt it.

But then Lilley moved back to the right again, and then left etc. Sometimes only for a set as happens most games. Can't be an easy thing to do even for an experienced guy like McGuire, asking Lilley to do it a dozen games into his career is asking too much IMO. Granted Sutcliffe isn't massively experienced himself in the grand schemes of things but he must still have about 60/70 more games than Lilley under his belt and as I mentioned before easily more size to stand a better chance with 2nd rows/centres attacking him as 3rd defender in.

Bennetts current 6 is Milford, hardly a rock in defence is he?

Milford and Hunt know what's expected of them defensively and who is in their unit inside and out, that doesn't typically change bar the interchange of a second-rower. Set defence is rarely if ever a solo pursuit, working together as a unit will allow for better cohesion and understanding, with and without the ball. McNamara defended his England halves using this formation V the Kiwis, cannot imagine Bennett won't continue. His options may be increased and England's chances, such as they are, improved if players (or coach - although I don't see this happening) didn't need to make these adjustments.