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Quote: Sibbs Rhinos "Well I can't tell you without phoning round the players agents can I, however I was more hoping Gary is doing this rather than finding some NRL reject who wants to come over to finish his career.'"


To be honest I dont even have a problem with signing some players from the NRL but agree I dont want to see someone here just for the expreience and pension top up.

Agree dont see any reson why a young british player would not want to come to leeds. Yes there are other big clubs also vieing for the same signiture but doesnt mean we cannot compete.

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Quote: rhinoms "Sal if we are looking at signing young players now for next season and beyond it's very unlikely they'll look at our squad and think that Sinfield and Mcguire will still be here 3/4 more years and we won't win jack so i'll go eleswhere.
This squad will go through changes not least this year and there's still pleny of youth ,potential and talent within it to be a very good prospect for any young player or otherwise to want to join.
It's also more likely they'll get plenty of chances to impress and game-time not least because of the evolution the squad will go through whereas the others you point out will have much more established 17/20 man squads.'"


Sinfield has just signed a new 4 year contract - so he isn't going anywhere and he is sure to play as long as he wants to?

The core of this team will be the same in 4 years time - Hall, Smith both signed 3/4 year contracts, Burrow/McGuire will still be here, JJB/Ablett/Bailey with Sinfield that makes 8 over half a side

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Quote: Sibbs Rhinos "Well we may as well give up then the way people are talking about this. If we are no longer able to compete with signings with the likes of Castleford then I would be extremely worried. I don't get how you can use the 'why would they sign with us when they could sign or Wigan' argument either, we need to try and sign them at any cost if we are to continue to be successful. Are people suggesting we should just avoid signing bigger players in the off chance another club wants to sign them aswell, in which case we should give up. We have a large chunk of cap space about to be made available to should be aiming to sign the best players available to us at a realistic cost. Like it or not we are on of the biggest clubs in this league, and players will want to play for us in-front of the bigger crowds etc. Lets aim for the top, and not just accept defeat without trying eh?'"


OK explain the signings of Cross and Huraki?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "OK explain the signings of Cross and Huraki?'"


Only players we could get, left signings too late hopefully.

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Quote: Sibbs Rhinos "Apologies, that was a mistake on my part, I was trying to get the point across that we should be paying top dollar to secure the best available british talent, but only to a certain extent. Not so much that it is ridiculous but if it means we have to pay more than others to secure them then so be it.'"

Oh, that clears it up........ icon_stupid.gif

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Quote: G1 "Oh, that clears it up........
I think we should be paying as much as we can afford to in order to secure the best talent available to us. Saving money to sign 2nd, 3rd or 4th choices will see us move backwards like we currently are. It has never been as important to sign top quality players when there will be a large turnover of players, meaning we can't be taking punts on unknowns in the hope they will gel. (see Bradford)

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Leeds had Shenton in the bag last year then when Smith became available they had to make a straight choice between the 2. Looking at it now they probably realise they made the wrong choice.

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Are you saying Smith is done? He's a utility back at present and needs to decide what position he's going to go for on a permanent basis (although nothing wrong with being a good utility back). But done? Some people have also spoken about Hall as though he's 30+ and compared him to Amos Roberts. WTF?

The argument that players may not want to come to Leeds with a core of the likes of Sinfield, McGuire etc is bizarre. Are you suggesting McGuire (assuming he gets to full fitness) and Sinfield aren't amongst the very best in their positions? Why wouldn't you want to play alongside them? The only players they would put off are stand offs/loose forwards ready for game time now.

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Are you saying Smith is done? He's a utility back at present and needs to decide what position he's going to go for on a permanent basis (although nothing wrong with being a good utility back). But done? Some people have also spoken about Hall as though he's 30+ and compared him to Amos Roberts. WTF?

The argument that players may not want to come to Leeds with a core of the likes of Sinfield, McGuire etc is bizarre. Are you suggesting McGuire (assuming he gets to full fitness) and Sinfield aren't amongst the very best in their positions? Why wouldn't you want to play alongside them? The only players they would put off are stand offs/loose forwards ready for game time now.'"

I'm not saying Smith is done i just think that since he came back from union he has been a shadow of the player he once was and at the moment i think Shenton is the better player but if Smith gets back to his best he is on par if not better with his attacking ability.

Totally agree about Sinfield and Mcguire though, they're far from finished and on last years form still the best in there respective positions than anyone else we have in this country

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Are you saying Smith is done? He's a utility back at present and needs to decide what position he's going to go for on a permanent basis (although nothing wrong with being a good utility back). But done? Some people have also spoken about Hall as though he's 30+ and compared him to Amos Roberts. WTF?

The argument that players may not want to come to Leeds with a core of the likes of Sinfield, McGuire etc is bizarre. Are you suggesting McGuire (assuming he gets to full fitness) and Sinfield aren't amongst the very best in their positions? Why wouldn't you want to play alongside them? The only players they would put off are stand offs/loose forwards ready for game time now.'"


The point for me is this - if you were a young talented player you want to play in a team which is likely to be challenging for trophies and a team with a flexible enough approach where you can make a difference.

This is a very short career with limited incomes and opportunities

Do you realistically see Leeds challenging for honours anytime soon?

Given the playing rosta do you honestly think the style of play can change; Sinfield has signed a 4 year contract - he is going to be the main playmaker for that period, you cannot radically change his game, so the attack will remain his domain no matter who the personnel around him are.

On Smith - it is like watching a poor man's Gasnier in the effect that the time in RU has had on him - niether are the same player - albeit at differing skill levels - he has lost his pace or the game has got faster and he hasn't.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Do you realistically see Leeds challenging for honours anytime soon?

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Very difficult to predict who will be ending up with trophies this year. I would suspect that a player looking to make a career move would not be concerned with the fact that we only made the CC final and the GF semi last year, rather than winning them. Just like Lance Hohaia wasn't bothered that Saints haven't won anything for two years and have lost 4 GF's in a row, being comprehensively duffed by Wigan last year.

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Reminds me of rlthisrl

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Quote: DHM "Very difficult to predict who will be ending up with trophies this year. I would suspect that a player looking to make a career move would not be concerned with the fact that we only made the CC final and the GF semi last year, rather than winning them. Just like Lance Hohaia wasn't bothered that Saints haven't won anything for two years and have lost 4 GF's in a row, being comprehensively duffed by Wigan last year.'"


I doubt Hohaia would have signed for Saints if he didn't think they had the potential to be challenging - something they have consistently shown since the inception of SL and something they are continuing to show.

They also have a crop of very talented youngsters which will make up the core of their squad for the future - there has to reasons that the likes of LMS and Shenton chose Saints? Look at their overseas players they tend to be less but higher standard

It is a club that appears to be investing in a new stadium not cost cutting on revamping a stand etc

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I doubt Hohaia would have signed for Saints if he didn't think they had the potential to be challenging - something they have consistently shown since the inception of SL and something they are continuing to show.

They also have a crop of very talented youngsters which will make up the core of their squad for the future - there has to reasons that the likes of LMS and Shenton chose Saints? Look at their overseas players they tend to be less but higher standard

It is a club that appears to be investing in a new stadium not cost cutting on revamping a stand etc'"



Lets not kid ourselves here Sal.

Your argument on kids is a valid and correct one. They do want to be where they have a chance of success, and certainly the way it looks at the moment the opportunities we are looking to create for our new breed of players is not as good as the one we had from 2002.

Your argument about Hohaia though is just taking the micky. Players of his sort from overseas come over for the money first and foremost, nothing else. Had Crusaders offered the player more than Saints then he would have been there instead.

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Quote: Rugbylad7 "Leeds had Shenton in the bag last year then when Smith became available they had to make a straight choice between the 2. Looking at it now they probably realise they made the wrong choice.'"

Why?

I thought Shenton was an above average player at Cas and I've seen nothing at Saints yet to show he's elevated his game much beyond that.

Smith, on the other hand, has shown greatness and has fantastic utility value.

IF it was a choice between the two then I think they made the right choice.

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