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| Quote: cod'ead "Black guys often call each other n**ger. Try driving down Chapeltown Road shouting that out of the window of your car and let me know if you get home safely.'"
Are you suggesting that it's not the word that's the problem, it's the person that says it? It seems to me that you are making out that it's OK for some people to use a particular word depending on their Colour / Sexual Preference / etc.
How the hell can you legislate for that?
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| Quote: chapylad "Why then is Zac copping so much stick?
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| Quote: frepneyboy "
So you are saying it is alright to question the integrity of a referree in as much as he might be bent ( wrong choice of the word there no doubt) or he is cheating to favour another team?
And that is not bringing the game into disrepute?
All in full view of the Sky viewrs.
As opposed to something Zac might have said that might upset a minority group of people who frequently use that word.
Would it help if Zac came out and said he was gay and it is now acceptable to use that language?
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| Wonder how long Zak will stay under investigation for? And when will the RFL issue their public apology?
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| Quote: chapylad "So you are saying it is alright to question the integrity of a referree in as much as he might be bent ( wrong choice of the word there no doubt) or he is cheating to favour another team?
And that is not bringing the game into disrepute?
All in full view of the Sky viewrs.
As opposed to something Zac might have said that might upset a minority group of people who frequently use that word.
Would it help if Zac came out and said he was gay and it is now acceptable to use that language?'"
Your player is called Zak
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| Not sure that I have a great deal of confidence in a lip reader that takes almost a week to determine a single word
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| Quote: frepneyboy "Your player is called Zak'"
Not on a Monday mate.
He really isn`t bothered what you call him unlike others.
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| Well, i personally will be paying close attention to the next trooping of the Colours down in London, and the slightest hint of the word Queen in any broadcast, will reduce me to a quivering heap of outraged incandescence!
Unless Prince Edward is there of course.....
Allegedly.
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| Read my lips, this thread is ....... ....!
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| Quote: DHM "Read my lips, this thread is ....... ....!'"
BAN HIM!!!
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| Quote: Him "BAN HIM!!!'"
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| Quote: batleyrhino "Are you suggesting that it's not the word that's the problem, it's the person that says it? It seems to me that you are making out that it's OK for some people to use a particular word depending on their Colour / Sexual Preference / etc.'"
No
Quote: batleyrhino "How the hell can you legislate for that?'"
We already have done
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| My question was how can you legislate for one group of people being allowed to use any specific word, when another group of people are castigated for using the same word. Again I repeat how can you legislate for that. Either the word is not to be used by any with the same consequences for all, or the word is acceptable and suitable for free use by all. Any other case would be seriously prejudicial to those "not allowed" to use the word. Who gets to choose which group of people can use the words in question and who not?
This whole thing is a complete storm in a teacup...
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| Quote: batleyrhino "My question was how can you legislate for one group of people being allowed to use any specific word, when another group of people are castigated for using the same word. Again I repeat how can you legislate for that. Either the word is not to be used by any with the same consequences for all, or the word is acceptable and suitable for free use by all. Any other case would be seriously prejudicial to those "not allowed" to use the word. Who gets to choose which group of people can use the words in question and who not?
This whole thing is a complete storm in a teacup...'"
You don't legislate for who can or cannot use a particular word, you legislate against the offence that the use of a particular word MAY cause to someone.
We have a virtually unlimited right to free speech in this country but equally there is a right for anyone who may have been offended to seek redress through the justice system.
Surely that is not too difficult a concept to grasp?
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| Legislating against the use of specific words by anyone is not too difficult a concept to grasp, however you were the one that introduced the concept of shouting from a car window in Chapeltown, so presumably you would campaign against that as much as you do the choice of word that Zak Hardaker may have used?
To be honest like I say this whole investigation is a complete waste of time. The use of language like this in this context doesn't even prove that there was intent to bring the sexual orientation or preference of any of the individuals in this case into question, never mind portray those of such sexual preference in a negative manner. It's a sad state of affairs when we are focusing more on what a player may or may not have said, and where no one complained at the time, than the game itself.
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