going to shock a few but I'm defending the coach on this one. the only think I can criticise him for is his pig headedness with persisting with moon at 6. can't pass, no kicking game no influence.
he can only use what he has and the person who has let ALL our second rowers get old and way past it at once deserves his share of stick too.i love JJB but he's so far off the pace it's embarrassing.
if, and I say if, it's time for a change do it now with so many players off contract so a new coach can get in who he wants.
we, and me , have been proved wrong before. I'd give it a bit longer yet.

and those Cas folk are having anti whino's fest on FB

I wonder if some of them have been told they are not being retained hence the not bothered display yesterday

No idea tbh but they look unfit unorganised & devoid of anything.

Tad makes some fair points but we should remember that Moon has done better than any of the others tried at 6 and we should not forget he was voted runner up in the player of the season by the fans. He is not a game manager but is an effective runner and his up and under kicking has led to quite a number of tries.

However I think we have lacked a game manager and on field leadership since Sinfield left the team and we should have signed a quality 6 when it was obvious Sutcliffe was not up to the job.

We currently have key players that are out of form like Moon, Ferres and Cuthbertson (who although he made a lot of tackles against Cas he did not make one offload against Warrington) and Parcel has been below his usual excellent form not helped last night by picking up an early injury).

Last night was an awful performance by the team as a whole and was not helped by Myler being fouled out of the game and early injuries to Parcel and Walker who looked weak on defence perhaps due to his injury. Watkins's injury did not affect the result but he was not at the races up until then in any case. I do hope his injury is not serious as last night apart he had been having a good season.

The long term injuries to our forwards, in particular the front row, has dulled the edge of those that have had to cover the middle defense which showed up last night. You can get by for a few games without your big men in the middle but not for half a season. We have lacked the bulk and strength of Garbutt and Galloway all season (the latter should have been replaced) and Peteru has missed most of the season. Cuthbertson and Mullally have missed a 5 or 6 each, Sutcliffe had been injured for 10 games, Ferres has missed 7, Ward 4. Add to that the injuries to Dwyer and Keinhorst and now we have to do without Singleton, Watkins, Peteru, Parcell and Walker who has already missed 7 and you have serious problems.

These are not just excuses as these injuries greatly reduce the chances of a wining matches as even with decent reserves the lack of a settled team has a negative effect with constant changes. In our case our fit reserves are inexperienced youngsters who cannot be expected to do long minutes without a rest.

To start against Cas with 19 year old Oledski (who I thought was our best player) and Peteru who got injured again with only Cuthbertson on the bench as a prop and you start with a major disadvantage.

We will have to recall Keinhorst for the Cup match and with the top 4 now a slim chance perhaps we should give the likes of Newman, Broadbent, and Holroyd a run.

We also are lacking in real pace and do not make enough clean breaks and our kicking game is not up to standard. Only Wakefield have made less attacking kicks than us and we have yet to make a 40/20.

That WCC is nice to win , but it always seems to affect the British team that competes in it .I was really apprehensive this year especially flying over there and lo and behold we picked up injuries to boot

JC Ferres hasn't been a key player for us since he arrived so putting him being woeful down to "being out of form" is wide of the mark.
With Moon irrespective of his past Seasons this year he hasn't performed at all.
Galloway has been "gone" over a year completely irrellevant to keep mentioning him.
Mullally has had plenty of time to cement a spot & has failed to take it & just like Ferres another pointless signing.
Other teams adapt to injuries & at the very least show some semblence of gameplan & shape.
Finally the application fitness & in some cases attitude stink.

Also that 17 should be performing better & once again we see injured players (Walker Parcell & Peteru) kept on longer than they should that falls at the Coaches door no?

That has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with it. Get tired of hearing that poor excuse trotted out regularly.

Wigan and Hull went to Aus, how are their seasons going? Both had lots of injuries, but so have all teams. Did you see how injury hit Hull are? Does anyone really think we would have beat Hull KR tonight?

I disagree with Tad above on McDermot, he is a problem. However, bigger still for me is the outdated obviously stale conditioning this club has had for last three years. We are not fast, we are not mobile, we are not agile, and the players have looked more unfit each year. Conditioning needs freshening up regularly, and ours has been in place far too long.

Everything seems so stale at the club. Unfit players, poor forwards ,a pig-headed coach . We need a massive clear out and some decent recruitment.

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don't get me wrong I think the time is fast coming for a change of coach.
I just think the person who deals with recruitment and resigning players should not be exempt from criticism.
write the league off, play some kids and let's see where we go. we won't go down. concentrate on the cup

I thought when we beat saints early in the season we were going to do OK

Same mate those close losses/blown leads seem to have sent us spiralling down as we've got worse week after week.

Leeds still have every chance of making the top four.