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Well done to the giants a fully deserved win,as sal paradise rightly states we need to get ablet back in the pack and Watkins in the centre. A poor day all round, I am concerned we did not match the giants in the intensity dept.
The giants kick chase was superior to ours,at times we looked jaded. Looks like we will be without delaney for a spell the shoulder injury he picked up looks serious. This will be a big blow as he is our best go forward.
My main worry is the balance of the team, I think it was a big mistake letting Lunt go back to the giants.
Still it's just one defeat,let's take on the chin and move on,hopefully learn our lessons and and regroup.

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Watkins was probably more under-used when at centre last year. Since he switched to wing he's been one of our best performers and scored plenty of tries and ones he wouldn't have been in position to score at centre nor would an alternative option at RW.....also its no good if he's coming up with great centre play if he doesn't have the wingman outside him to finish it.

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "The old achilles heel of too many errors and daft penalties proving costly again.

With Ward injured and Ablett in the centre we lack a back rower who can put their centre into space. Delaney had a strong game but he really needs to develop his handling to take his game to the next level. Clarkson should've been on earlier IMO to run at the spaces on the fringes.
I also think Hardaker's inability to pass the ball when he comes into the line really stifles our attack at times. If he can develop this part of his game to go along with his kick returns and very good general FB play he could be a real star.
I'd also argue that McShane needs to start and Burrow needs to come off the bench, I just think Burrow would be much more effective coming on after 20-30 mins when the big men have tired slightly.
Overall the best team on the day won and we can't have too many complaints.'"


I agree Delaney is immense in his [igo forward[/i but with the majority of the drives he makes you just know it is going to be a dead ball....I don't see his looking to pass element developing now and it re-affirms my belief he will make a better prop; a prop in the Peacock mould.
Hardaker is a brilliant FB in his kick returns and one on one tackling (Watkins or Webb at FB would not have kept Leeds in the game with the same critical try saving tackles), but, yes, he is not in the same mould as Webb at his best in linking up.....Hardaker still has time on his side though and with a decent coach (McDermott? icon_wink.gif

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Funny posts around Hudds wanting it more, bottom line they were better in pretty much every area, Brough dominated the game again, he is a very very good player.

England have to play him, kicking wise in general play he is untouchable in SL.

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This may sound strange but I'm not that bothered by my loss, I guess 3 losses in a row numbs you

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If the England team was being picked tomorrow, Brough would have to be a shoo-in.

Question is, where will his standard be come the reg season's end?

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Sorry to say it but sinfield is looking less & less effective lately . I am not saying that he is finished but we need to start thinking about who will replace him but mcd would never drop sinfield and would play him if he only had one leg .Also agree that burrow should be coming off the bench . Maybe they need a rest . Best team one today imo

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McGuire needs a stint at Hunslet, get some form back, he was worse today than I can remember seeing, and that saying something on recent performances!!

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I'd wager Sinfield and McGuire make more tackles in a game than any other HB partnership in the comp. If you're halfs are making 40 or 50 tackles a game between them its goingto have a detrimental effeect on their attacking play.

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "I'd wager Sinfield and McGuire make more tackles in a game than any other HB partnership in the comp. If you're halfs are making 40 or 50 tackles a game between them its goingto have a detrimental effeect on their attacking play.'"


Yet it had no effect on Mr Crabtree today, who played better in defence and attack than anyone else, and he's a big forward rather than light and slight.

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Quote: Gotcha "Yet it had no effect on Mr Crabtree today, who played better in defence and attack than anyone else, and he's a big forward rather than light and slight.'"


Gotcha, seriously? Crabtree went backwards more than my ex wife when faced with the python!!

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "I'd wager Sinfield and McGuire make more tackles in a game than any other HB partnership in the comp. If you're halfs are making 40 or 50 tackles a game between them its goingto have a detrimental effeect on their attacking play.'"


is that not just an effect of your fast rushing defense?

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Quote: Gotcha "Yet it had no effect on Mr Crabtree today, who played better in defence and attack than anyone else, and he's a big forward rather than light and slight.'"


Crabtree isn't responsible for the creative work of his team and got subbed off.

At the 65 min Sinfield was third in the tackle list (with 24) behind only Crabtree and JJB. He'd even done more than Peacock and Delaney......thats the problem and one I've pointed out before this year. Sinfield has had to step up for our defence to improve this year compared to the last 2 seasons......but that comes with a negative effect on his attacking play.

To sum it up easily, Sinfield is being sacrificed for having Burrow at 9......is it worth it? Not really.

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "I'd wager Sinfield and McGuire make more tackles in a game than any other HB partnership in the comp. If you're halfs are making 40 or 50 tackles a game between them its goingto have a detrimental effeect on their attacking play.'"


According to Opta in the SL Regular Rounds as a pair they are averaging 41 tackles a game, while also missing another 3. I don't have any comparable stats with other teams half-backs but I do have a stat for the Leeds starting hooker - 8 a game with another attempt missed - all figures rounded you understand.

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Quote: tvoc "According to Opta in the SL Regular Rounds as a pair they are averaging 41 tackles a game, while also missing another 3. I don't have any comparable stats with other teams half-backs but I do have a stat for the Leeds starting hooker - 8 a game with another attempt missed - all figures rounded you understand.'"


I did it after 8/9 league games.....Sinfield was at 27, other halfs like Brough, Myler, Matty Smith and several others were in the low to mid teens.

The BBC had him at 24 tackles by the 65th minute mark so he probably end up around the 30 mark.

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