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| It's ridiculous for anyone to seriously believe he was moved from centre because he couldn't pass. He was moved as he had far more to his game, as proven by his standing in the game since taking that position. Again, he has more to offer again, long term.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"It's ridiculous for anyone to seriously believe he was moved from centre because he couldn't pass. He was moved as he had far more to his game, as proven by his standing in the game since taking that position. Again, he has more to offer again, long term.'"
If Webb hadn't have got injured Hardaker would not have ended up at FB to suggest otherwise is factually incorrect. If Webb hadn't have got injured it is very unlikely Hardaker would have remained in the centres it simply wasn't working - he had an inability to throw a pass that gave his winger any space to work. He has a great running game but he hasn't shown a passing or kicking game to warrant any suggestion he could make it as a half in a top team
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"If Webb hadn't have got injured Hardaker would not have ended up at FB to suggest otherwise is factually incorrect. If Webb hadn't have got injured it is very unlikely Hardaker would have remained in the centres it simply wasn't working - he had an inability to throw a pass that gave his winger any space to work. He has a great running game but he hasn't shown a passing or kicking game to warrant any suggestion he could make it as a half in a top team'"
And by your logic, had we not seen him at fullback we would not have now had the best fullback in the competition. What does that tell you about writing them off in other positions before it happens?
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"And by your logic, had we not seen him at fullback we would not have now had the best fullback in the competition. What does that tell you about writing them off in other positions before it happens?'"
When we have the best fullback in the competition let me know it hasn't happened yet there 3/4 as good if not better than him. He still isn't a patch on Webb going forward especially running into and passing in the line. Webb had a great instinct for delivering the right pass and the skill set to deliver, Hardaker has neither of these skills if he is the future and I have no reason to suggest you are incorrect then we are in for a very lean spell in attack.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"When we have the best fullback in the competition let me know it hasn't happened yet there 3/4 as good if not better than him. He still isn't a patch on Webb going forward especially running into and passing in the line. Webb had a great instinct for delivering the right pass and the skill set to deliver, Hardaker has neither of these skills if he is the future and I have no reason to suggest you are incorrect then we are in for a very lean spell in attack.'"
Sal, you are showing yourself up a bit there now. He is easily the best in our competition. For the record, Webb is not playing anymore.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"there 3/4 as good if not better than him. '"
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| Easily the best fullback in SL last year. As evidenced by his England call up and would've played if Tomkins weren't ahead of him.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"When we have the best fullback in the competition let me know '"
sal just to let you know that we do actually have the best full back in super league,where were you last season?
Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"it hasn't happened yet there 3/4 as good if not better than him. '"
go on then sal name them and also state here and now on record which of these so called better players in your opinion that are at other super league clubs presently that you would swop for zak
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| I'm also interested to hear which are the three or four full backs currently playing the Super League that are better than Hardaker.
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| Matty Russell at Warrington, lomax at Saints when he is fit, bowen at Wigan that's 3 all three are at least as good as Zak - Russell will be a sensation next season if he can stay injury free. Ball in hand he is a more destructive runner than Zak. Bowen is more a Webb type full back with a much better all round game than Zak at the moment. Lomax if he can ever stay fit has it all - far more natural rugby talent than Zak.
We see Zak every week, he looks great in a pretty average side and as a result his stature is over egged on here for me. Defensively he is as good as any FB in SL but offensively he is one trick pony at the moment.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Matty Russell at Warrington, lomax at Saints when he is fit, bowen at Wigan that's 3 all three are at least as good as Zak - Russell will be a sensation next season if he can stay injury free. Ball in hand he is a more destructive runner than Zak. Bowen is more a Webb type full back with a much better all round game than Zak at the moment. Lomax if he can ever stay fit has it all - far more natural rugby talent than Zak.
We see Zak every week, he looks great in a pretty average side and as a result his stature is over egged on here for me. Defensively he is as good as any FB in SL but offensively he is one trick pony at the moment.'"
Spot on, really like watching Matty Russell might argue that Bowen can be a bit flaky at times but think you are right re Zak.
The "best back line in the world ever" seemed to manage to leave us as the 7th best attack in a really ordinary Super League last season. Not seeing where the improvement is going to come from next season to be honest.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Matty Russell at Warrington, lomax at Saints when he is fit, bowen at Wigan that's 3 all three are at least as good as Zak - Russell will be a sensation next season if he can stay injury free. Ball in hand he is a more destructive runner than Zak. Bowen is more a Webb type full back with a much better all round game than Zak at the moment. Lomax if he can ever stay fit has it all - far more natural rugby talent than Zak.
We see Zak every week, he looks great in a pretty average side and as a result his stature is over egged on here for me. Defensively he is as good as any FB in SL but offensively he is one trick pony at the moment.'"
the same matty russell that scored a massive 3 tries and made an entire 3 try assists all season?
and whose "far more destructive running" resulted in less clean breaks than Hardaker? along with less tackle busts per game?
he's a decent prospect, but he's not as good as Hardaker.
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