Your wider observation, over whatever period, is equally flawed for the same reason I gave earlier.. If you choose to take a narrow view without taking into consideration other key factors then your judgements will always be flaky.

In the days when you were happy to cut and paste the opta stats I asked on several occassion for the minutes played without which the other stats have lesser value. Only on rare occassions did you produce the minutes played and understandably only for televised matches. Statistics are a tool to provide management information to assist in decision making and assessing performance. Without the full set of stats which the clubs subsribe for we are all just expressing personal opinions based on limited information, hence I tend to play devil's advocate against the critics.

I am suprised that as a hobbiest keeper of records you have not seen the importance of the minutes played stat without which much of your other records are somewhat meaningless.

I an not one of the ones making critical attacks without knowing the time on the field which is my point.



I still do not know the minutes for Kirke. Are you asking me to accept your numbers when when I know your judgement to to be flaky.

Those rare occasions at least being an improvement on what Opta provide without subscription then. If the stats only provide limited information (which I agree they do) why do you use them and insist on calling them 'facts' ?



The vast majority of my records have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with a minutes played stat, or carries, or tackles, or busts or any other category Opta choose to publish online. I record these only as a comparatively recent addition (since 200icon_cool.gif but only because they are available.

As long as they're listed week by week I'll record them but if they weren't there I wouldn't lose a second of sleep over it.

My initial interest was to highlight the frequent errors such as mistaking Ian Kirke for Rob Burrow in relation to a 40

Numbers or judgement?

Kirke played a stint at Wigan that began when he replaced Leuluai at 18 minutes and 57 seconds (according to the Sky in-game clock), he ended the first half still on and started the second half the same until being replaced by Singleton at 53 minutes and 10 seconds. A stint of 34 minutes and 13 seconds - Fact - he replaced a prop - Fact - he made 3 carries in that game - Fact.

Your avoidance of replying to my post on that thread will have been noted

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And tad was right it was at least 15 - in reality we should all now be able to accept it was many more than this

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