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| Quote West Cumbrian Rhino="West Cumbrian Rhino"Another major cause of trouble at these finals, is that fans of other clubs are allowed to sit in the designated area for one of the finalist teams.
We had several Wakefield fans sat near us, and as Wire pulled away in the game, they made a point of running right up into my face doing loser signs and calling us "Leeds Wayne-kers". He was politely asked to stop, but carried on doing the same, gradually getting worse and worse. When he was warned again, he offered to go out onto the concourse with me for a fight, something I didn't particularly want to do, as I'm an England football member and didn't want barred from Wembley Stadium! Things would have kicked off had it not been for those around us helping to shut up the Wakey fan and defuse the situation.
I wonder, how many of these fracas on final days, are caused by "neutrals" behaving in such a manner when they've had a few too many beers!
Perhaps the RFL need to keep the clubs' allocations and neutral sales as seperate.'"
That would be a sad day for rugby league were it to happen
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| Quote Andy R="Andy R"That would be a sad day for rugby league were it to happen'"
Already happens on an "informal" basis in many grounds, including Headingley.
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| as i said on the wire board i was sat near enough front row next to 2 leeds fans and we had good banter and good laugh and were having a laugh with the steward infront of us as he didn't have to do anything.
everyone i spoke to were very nice to talk to and gave good representations for their club this includes leeds fans 2 of which were sat behind us on the warrington chartered train, halifax fans, wigan fans, cas fans, saints fans probably others that i have not mentioned.
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| As a warrington season ticket holder for many years, this was the 2nd final i have been to in recent years (was in canada when we played hudds.) I thought the atmosphere outside the ground in the torch pub was great, fans from all teams mixing having a laugh even the bouncers on the door looked bored lol. Walking down wembley way the only knobs i saw was 3 women from warrington acting like they had been let out of winwick for the day. Inside the ground i was in block 111 row 12 and there was a group of about 10 leeds fans at the very front aged 30's-50's. Must admit i was wary when i came in and saw them but to there credit they didnt seem to cause no bother and when kirke scored celebrated like they had just smashed the aussies and the guy dancing with the flag in the aisle made me chuckle. I do think its a lottery what type of people you get to sit around, but find it's more the daytrippers rather than RL regulars that cause the problems. For 1: they go down with a mentality that they are there to defend there towns honour or something and become tribal, a group of wire fans sat near us sang for yorkshire bas***ds for 80 mins. 2: They also seem to think it's a challenge to see if they can fit as much alcohol into there system before KO as possible. I dont think banning beer is the answer at RL games but maybe at the finals could be. I never have any drunk idiots around me at the HJ where beer is drunk by the majority during SL matches.
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| Quote andysilsden="andysilsden"Warrington fans were bad where I were sat.
Had a dig at 2 young kids enjoying the day with thier parents cos they had rhino's shirts on, then 2 of them challenged a lad in his late-teens to a fight, credit to the lad, he ignored them, another pint went flying, and finally of the idiots fell down across 2 rows of seats.
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Was with Andy ,in fact the lad that got challenged was my nephew , luckily he's fairly laid back and told the drunken Warrington Yob where to go politely, but I'm sure if it had come to it my lad , playing Pro with the Cougars and considerably more sober would have wiped the floor with him .Also the two Rhinos kids were only 6 and 10 years old and to on a Cup final /London Family weekend with their parents ,the youngest one was to be honest probably more interested in her Nintendo DS and cuddly Ronnie Rhino than the action on the pitch- which shows the true 'hardness' of the idiots , who mostly spent the afternoon sing Anti Robin Van Persie songs, says it all really ..never RL fans in a million years and its a shame they choose to attach themselves to any team ..be it Wire or Leeds
I reported the incidents to the Stewards but none came near at all ...Pathetic !
We like quite a few of the Championship Club Supporters sat around us (a big group of Eagles Fans were close by)
bought our tickets through our Clubs , putting the money back into them . Surely it shouldn't be beyond the powers that be to make sure these tickets are in a reasonably neutral area .
The only other time I've encountered any bother at a major final was with tickets supplied through the RFL when my Junior Club took a Coach load to Old Trafford a few years back , sticking fifty odd Junior Players and Coaching Staff from Yorkshire , Slap bang in the St Helens End .
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| Just out of interest, the tickets that are supplied to other lower league clubs for fundraising purposes by the RFL - we see these tickets being sold on the finalists forums as soon as the finalists are known, which is all well and good and raises money for the clubs concerned - but if one of their purchasers causes trouble and is evicted from the crowd or worse, ends up arrested and facing criminal charges - what do the RFL do to the club who they supplied the ticket to being as they have effectively touted the ticket to a stranger ?
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| Quote Horatio Yed="Horatio Yed"
Ah, that clears up the mystery, was in the Green man until they kicked us out, walking down the road there was two massive pools of blood, i was completely oblivious to it all though. Shame really as the atmosphere was great in the pub, the Stanningley lot and Notts Outlaws just having a laugh.
We as fans do like to go on about incidents but considering the amounts of alcohol consumed and a majority of fans being working class (we are more prone to fisty cuffs than the middle and uppers) i think we do well.
If this was football and only the small amount of arrests that occurred on Saturday and same amount of scuffles was exactly the same people wouldn't even bat an eyelid in fact Police would probably boast on a job well done.'"
Did you see it when a couple of our lads decided to have a tackle-off. Pure comedy.
Basically being massively drunk don't mean you cause trouble. Being an idiot does.
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| Quote McLaren_Field="McLaren_Field"Already happens on an "informal" basis in many grounds, including Headingley.'"
It happens to an extent at Cup Finals too. You know which set of fans you'll be sitting with to a degree. It doesn't mean fans should not be allowed to watch from where they want, just like they can at Headingley, the KC, DW etc if they choose to
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| Yeah saw that, first i thought it was sumo, but then knew what it was.
At the end of the day the majority of the people i saw had had quite a lot to drink and hardly any of those were even remotely violent or threatening. Banning alcohol because of a minority of idiots is not the way.
Also did you catch the woman and guy getting their kit off in that bizarre game they were playing, and the lads sliding across the beer benches. All good fun really.
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| Quote Andy R="Andy R"It happens to an extent at Cup Finals too. You know which set of fans you'll be sitting with to a degree. It doesn't mean fans should not be allowed to watch from where they want, just like they can at Headingley, the KC, DW etc if they choose to'"
If that were to stop the trouble that is now so evident at finals then that's what will have to happen.
Time and time again at finals now, there are fights in the stands, involving people in shirts of teams that aren't contesting the final!
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| Quote West Cumbrian Rhino="West Cumbrian Rhino"If that were to stop the trouble that is now so evident at finals then that's what will have to happen.
Time and time again at finals now, there are fights in the stands, involving people in shirts of teams that aren't contesting the final!'"
And just as often there are issues between fans of the same club.
I'd much rather sit next to a sober Saints, Wigan or Hull fan than an absolutely hammered Leeds fan.
Just because these people are wearing a different shirt doesn't mean they don't deserve to be treated like human beings - the fault is not with wear people sit, it is with how people behave.
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| Punishing the majority for the actions of the minority is the wrong way to go for me, i say punish the minority with a very heavy punishment. Give them a life ban, all stadiums, then they'll only kick off in the pub back in Yorkshire, Lancashire, Cheshire, Humber etc etc.
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