To be honest, these threads remind me very much of the same sort of threads on the Bulls MB going back a bit, once we started to lose games that we believed we had a right to win and as it slowly started to dawn on us that we were not actually as unstoppable as we thought we were. It got worse as our dominance slowly eroded, and those fans who had grown accustomed to winning as if of a right became increasingly rattled. Maybe that's what always happens once a club has passed its peak for that particular era?

You won't get a reaction from me no matter what you accuse me of.



No I can't but isn't that precisely my point here. It doesn't need to be referred because it doesn't happen. You think it does but you can't back that view up with any examples. Not one prior to last nights.



The video referees don't look for players stood in offside positions when tries are scored? I'd say it's probably the number one thing they are called on to do.

You think otherwise, so why not prove it. Could it be because (just like me) you can't recall any such similar offsides occurring by the attacking side.

Last night was a rarity. If it wasn't there'd be plenty of precedents. So where are they?

A video referee has never been asked before to look if a player was offside at a play the ball. Yes they have been asked to look at offside at a kick, but not a move from way down field.

You can clearly hear on the mic from last night when Smith asks Alibert to look at the incident, he says "do you understand what I am aksing Thierry". Alibert said back please repeat to which Smith then gave a clearer instruction.

Both refs were unsure, simply because it is not something looked at previously. You can bet your whole life savings, that had Smith simply asked Alibert if he could just check that the play the ball was played correct, that that try would have been given, with no mention from anybody, including commentators and fans, about Webb been offside.

That is why I say we can not give you examples previously, because it simply is not looked at. I can bet you now that we will have a offside watch thread each week on here from now with many examples.

Not as funny as your life being destroyed by gambling

Perhaps they haven't been asked to look for it before because it hasn't happened before. Except earlier in the thread there was an example given of Wellens having a try ruled out for the same infringement.



Then they would all have been 100% wrong in their decision and done the gave irreparable damage had Leeds won yet another game V Bradford on such an incorrect ruling.



The Paul Wellens example from earlier in the thread if accurate would suggest otherwise. Perhaps, just perhaps mind, that it hasn't been looked at much because it doesn't occur much where it results in a try being referred to the video referee.



I look forward to it and will continue to give my unbiased (if somewhat arrogant) view of the video referees ruling, unusually for this board, using both eyes in the process.

Do you think the try should have been allowed to stand?

Bingo.

To the letter of the law no. I accept fully your viewpoint on that.

But I strongly believe (without been able to give you specific examples) that this happens a lot, and to remain consistent it should have been allowed.

I still believe what I put above. Had it not been asked to look at, and just look at the play the ball, that the try would have been given, and NOBODY would have been mentioning it as given incorrectly, you included.

Do you realise how daft that reads?

I'd be speaking out about it if it was missed by the officials (and I'd picked it up) just as I did after the Millenium Magic fiasco and on countless other rulings.

The integrity of the game is bigger than any individual club in my view.

You're right!

Just so we are all in agreement here.

If one team kicks the ball upfield to the other, and the fullback collects the ball behind most of his team mates. He is tackled by the kicking team. The winger comes behind for the play the ball (only player back behind the ball), he makes a break, and passes to one of his forwards coming back.

We ALL accept that immediately that this happens, that it is a penalty to the defence?

Seriously if people really do not think that this will happen at all games, then they wont be looking. Lets look for the offence on Monday.

No. The referee makes a judgement that the players are attempting to get back onside and not deliberately hanging around in the oppositions defensive line.

Webb set off in support before Burrow even got past him.