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Quote: McLaren_Field "If I may intervene with a couple of points...

Greg Mulholland (LibDem Leeds NW) has just gone on record today to state that he is absolutely opposed to the coalition plans to increase university tuition fees to the proposed levels - and I don't think he'll be the only LibDem who won't stand behind that one either.

The poster known as Juan Cornetto is starting to scarily sound like Norman Tebbit now, I fully expect his next post to be on the lines of "High unemployment is a price worth paying...etc etc" I knew they hadn't gone away, they were at the back of the broom cupboard with the evil witch all that time...'"
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The poster known as Maclaren_Field (Would have been known as The Barley Mow had he been a bit more mature!) intervened on "a couple of points"

The first is nothing to do with the points I was making.

His idea of a second point is to shamefully attempt to put his choice of extremist quotes in my mouth rather than answer my valid points. Then he finished off with a smug insult. -- most unworthy and you do me a dishonour.

Why is it with you left wing lot that you cannot make your case without resorting to insults? For your information I am not a Conservative neither do I support any political party. I have a loathing of most potiticians and find it strange that so many of you actually believe everything they say. I actually agree with certain ideas from each of the parties.

I was merely putting forward a balancing viewpoint... that the facts prove that The Labour government messed up big style and that we can only have the sort of welfare state and public service that we can afford. Maybe this new government will do the same, but at least give them a chance or are you too dyed in the wool?

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Quote: tvoc "I didn't realise there was a coalition. Considering the subject of the day is the way Universities are to be funded, on April 27th 2010 Nick Clegg said

We can only have what we as a society can afford. You cannot keep keep running up the debts.

Lets agree to differ and get back to the rugby thread.

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Soon we will be dancing the Fandango FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB'S DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESS THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT IS. JAMIE PEACOCK:



Quote: Juan Cornetto "We can only have what we as a society can afford. You cannot keep keep running up the debts.

Lets agree to differ and get back to the rugby thread.'"

or at least talk about Wilf Rosenberg who both you and I remember well

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See what happens when you don't use the quote button properly, I can't re-quote you now.

Anyway, fear not, I now acknowledge your sensitivity and complete lack of humour and I shall leave you alone in future.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Why is it with you left wing lot that you cannot make your case without resorting to insults? '"


I appreciate that response was not in relation to any of my comments but I rarely if ever resort to calling other posters contributions 'utter rubbish.' A bit aggressive although perhaps not for a right winger (there you go back to rugby.)

"If you're not a liberal when you're in your twenties you haven't got a heart; if you're not a conservative by the time you're 40 you haven't got a brain."

I guess I'm still waiting to grow up but there again, like you, I've now lived under long periods of both centre right and centre left administrations and I know which one I prefer and which one best fits my outlook.

Quote: Juan Cornetto "We can only have what we as a society can afford. You cannot keep keep running up the debts.'"


But why choose to fill the gap between the two off the backs of hard working men (and especially women), the poor, the disabled, the old and the young. In a country of great wealth (only it's concentrated in the hands of the few) surely there's a fairer way? This coalition has set themselves a test of fairness. It's a test they will fail as long as their cuts harm the public services ordinary people (young and old) rely on and their tax policies are regressive.

As for the notion that the Tories are the party of economic competence I think that myth was blown apart on the 16th September 1992.

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Well I'm ecstatic with the Tories – my eldest is just completing her UCAS form and choosing a Uni. I can’t tell you how happy I am that our beloved PM has decided to lift the cap on uni tuition fees and I might have to end up paying up to £7k a year.

The year after my youngest will be hitting Uni - £14K a year, can’t wait.

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Quote: tvoc "(Vulcan spotting at Sywell (again) in the morning ..... fingers crossed.)'"


Success after the disappointment of last Friday's weather cancellation. 'Local bear' in attendance with the Blade pilots grounded by the conditions.


Farewell for now ..... hope to see you next season.

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See what happens when you don't use the quote button properly, I can't re-quote you now.

Anyway, fear not, I now acknowledge your sensitivity and complete lack of humour and I shall leave you alone in future.'"
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You see there you go again. Another put down attempt. Your'e now saying I have a "complete lack of humour" because I didn't find your name calling funny, which it wasn't (nothing about Norman Tebbitt is funny) I actually do have a good sense of humour as many of my previous postings (and choice of name) will hint at. If your remarks had actually been funny I would have been the first to laugh.

By the way neither am I one-eyed or unable to change my opinion when presented with a convincing and better argument than my own. (so don't give up so easily) In fact I welcomed in the New Labour Government after the mediocrity of the Major era whose performance I also "kicked into touch". I am just very disappointed with their overall performance after so many years in power. So you can hardly say this is the usual "score" for a right winger!

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Quote: tvoc "The number of Lib Dems left with any shred of integrity on this subject won't be sufficient to defeat the 'likely' proposal put before the house as 23 of them are also part of the government and bound by collective responsibility (if they wish to hold on to their jobs that is.) Even if every one of the remaining 34 join Labour in the NO lobby (rather than abstain - and assuming Labour oppose and I've no idea if they will) the coalition still win a vote by 15.

The Lib Dems have been royally stitched up and while I understand what the Tories will get out of the Coalition I'm still struggling to see what is in it for the Dems. I expect they will hold on until the AV Referendum next May but after that all bets are off, especially if it's defeated, and even if it isn't it's not much more than a sop.

(Hurry up Chile, I need to get to bed ...... Vulcan spotting at Sywell in the morning ..... fingers crossed.)'"


Make no mistake the last election was a huge defeat for Labour. The voters while not giving an overall majority to the Tories (due largely to a good TV debate by Clegg) nevertheless clearly rejected Labour. The other two parties have formed a coalition which by definition means both partners will have to compromise on some long cherished policies, in the interests of the big picture, which is to reduce the huge national debt and bring back some financial confidence in UK plc. This is in line with the verdict of the voters which we should respect until the next election.

The voters made the Tories the major player in this coalition and so they have the mandate to decide on the majority of issues. It is a credit to both the Tories and LibDems that they are mature enough to make some difficult compromises. Of course they are going to make mistakes and of course there will be fall outs along the way and I will be ready to point out these errors too. I can understand why Labour activists are looking forward and hoping for these fall outs which is to be expected from two parties working together. What was their excuse when Blair and Brown were at war in the same party!

I also don't understand those deficit deny-ers who are so quick to have a go at this new government yet strangely keep so quiet about the many failings of the last Labour Government. It is all so one-eyed and out of balance with reality.

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Quote: tvoc "I appreciate that response was not in relation to any of my comments but I rarely if ever resort to calling other posters contributions 'utter rubbish.' A bit aggressive although perhaps not for a right winger (there you go back to rugby.)'"


I am sorry, but to state that Brown led the world out of the financial disaster was IMO so inaccurrate that my comment of "utter rubbish" was made out of bewilderment and not said with any aggression. You should remember that all good right wingers swerve to both the left and the right when confronted by opposition left wingers but nearly always leave them grasping at thin air with mud on their faces!

Quote: tvoc ""If you're not a liberal when you're in your twenties you haven't got a heart; if you're not a conservative by the time you're 40 you haven't got a brain."

I guess I'm still waiting to grow up but there again, like you, I've now lived under long periods of both centre right and centre left administrations and I know which one I prefer and which one best fits my outlook.'"


I know that I have been let down by both the left and the right and so don't side with either but please don't think I'm a LibDem that worse than being called a right winger.

Quote: tvoc "But why choose to fill the gap between the two off the backs of hard working men (and especially women), the poor, the disabled, the old and the young. In a country of great wealth (only it's concentrated in the hands of the few) surely there's a fairer way? This coalition has set themselves a test of fairness. It's a test they will fail as long as their cuts harm the public services ordinary people (young and old) rely on and their tax policies are regressive.

As for the notion that the Tories are the party of economic competence I think that myth was blown apart on the 16th September 1992.'"


I say give them a fair try before you dismiss them. I do not condone cuts in public services that are essential to the less well off. But the Labour government threw vast amounts of borrowed money at public services that was not all essential or improved anything so there will be savings to be made which do not effect essential services

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "You see there you go again. Another put down attempt. Your'e now saying I have a "complete lack of humour" because I didn't find your name calling funny, which it wasn't (nothing about Norman Tebbitt is funny) I actually do have a good sense of humour as many of my previous postings (and choice of name) will hint at. If your remarks had actually been funny I would have been the first to laugh.

By the way neither am I one-eyed or unable to change my opinion when presented with a convincing and better argument than my own. (so don't give up so easily) In fact I welcomed in the New Labour Government after the mediocrity of the Major era whose performance I also "kicked into touch". I am just very disappointed with their overall performance after so many years in power. So you can hardly say this is the usual "score" for a right winger!'"


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How can there possibly be any rise in student fees?

Nick Clegg has pledged otherwise....




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Quote: lionarmour87 "or at least talk about Wilf Rosenberg who both you and I remember well'"


Yes I agree. I have vivid memories of some of the memorable tries he scored for Leeds helped by that under rated centre Derek Hallas.

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Ha Ha another funny joke... I suppose? You'll never be another Les Dawson

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