Summed up by tapping that penalty with 10 seconds left and practically throwing it forward.

Kr fortunate not to have Sue off imo. Two clear pieces of foul play when Batchelor got a yellow for a marginal hip drop.

First choice props have to start Holroyd and Oledski the first 10/15 mins will be key as Hudds will want to dominate.

All Rocks Dwyer today, I liked him but we have seen today why he no longer a Leeds player and probably his last gig in Super League

Sometimes RL is a simple game, Run hard tackle hard and you give yourself a chance, see second half Catalans. We need to start the game like this, we have not started any game this season really well. We need to start this week

I agree. let's hope the coach does...

80 minutes of Dwyer at 9 plus 60 odd minutes of Sutty at 6. Hull fans we know the pain.

Something's gone badly awry at Hull. They are a much better team than that. Maybe Smith won't last very long, as he certainly doesn't seem to have the team playing for him.

They need a complete reset. The priority for them has to be avoiding relegation, anything more would be a bonus. Then they can release all their off contract players and begin the rebuild

You'd think that but then they acquired Dwyer and Sutcliffe. Bit like us with Olpherts

I wouldn't be surprised if Tony is upsetting quite a few players, and they should be upset. Hull's attitude has been horrible for a while now - some of the scorelines against them are frankly a disgrace (including last season). That's down to effort as on paper they look like a reasonable team. Dwyer and Sutcliffe didn't have a great track record at Leeds in terms of leading from the front either. Actually Dwyer tried, but his one-man show became a big part of the problem. There's a decent player in there if only he concentrated on passing. A few games last year his passing was better and he wasn't running as much, but just when you thought he'd turned a corner he'd revert to type.

Yet they still beat us at Headingley

Got his work cut out has Uncle Tony

yes Dwyer showed today exactly why Smith moved him on

And yet, for all Dwyer's faults, Smith doesn't appear yet to have figured a way to win those dreadful tight and scrappy games which he managed to clinch from time to time.

Nene out?.